i need help with making western rman rebels playaable

[Makanyane]

Sorry for earlier answer, was thinking you meant playable as a normal faction without revolt / transfer of ownership thing.

When playing BI we did find ( playing as west_romans, with west_roman_rebels unmodded) that taking or besieging a city that was imminently about to revolt to the same faction as that taking it, in some circumstances gave a CTD - never did track down precisely why!

Also there is definitely a bug with the romano_british (I think widely known) if they lose their settlements / leaders in the wrong order, game tries to trigger their re-emergence, fails and CTD's. I think trigger is hardcoded, cure involved removing 'britain' hidden resource (can't remember if anything else).

Have you tried looking and the 'all factions playable' mod?
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...tions+playable
I know it's not quite what you're trying to do but file changes could give some clues.

[Byzantine Mercenary]

When playing BI we did find ( playing as west_romans, with west_roman_rebels unmodded) that taking or besieging a city that was imminently about to revolt to the same faction as that taking it, in some circumstances gave a CTD - never did track down precisely why!

perhaps that would explain the first few crashes

Also there is definitely a bug with the romano_british (I think widely known) if they lose their settlements / leaders in the wrong order, game tries to trigger their re-emergence, fails and CTD's. I think trigger is hardcoded, cure involved removing 'britain' hidden resource (can't remember if anything else).

i don't think i had any contact with the romano british, what is the wrong order? does that mean if they lose their heir before their leader?

Have you tried looking and the 'all factions playable' mod?
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...tions+playable
I know it's not quite what you're trying to do but file changes could give some clues.

il take a look thanks, its pretty much what im trying to do except i was trying to get the roman rebels and the romano british in charge of a few provinces to make them more of a threat

[Makanyane]

Originally posted by Byzantine Mercenary:
i don't think i had any contact with the romano british, what is the wrong order? does that mean if they lose their heir before their leader?

Don't think it matters if its you fighting them or the AI (celts??)

Think hardcoded trigger for them to emerge was if WRE lost Britannia_inferior and Britannia_superior (provinces which have 'britain' hidden resource)- then they're meant to emerge as independent (but not hording) army.

Flaw we had with putting them into Britain (without taking 'britain' resource out) is that it also seems to try and trigger emergence if RB lose those two provinces.
I think CTD was if there was any other RB leader still alive outside of the last of those two provinces to fall - on map or in other city (RB was also hardcoded so that an army with leader can survive without city) so CTD would be due to it trying to emerge the RB whilst they still exist on map.

If you already have them on the map I think you should just be able to take out 'britain' hidden resource for future campaigns - don't know if it will help your saved game though.

[Byzantine Mercenary]

Don't think it matters if its you fighting them or the AI (celts??)

Think hardcoded trigger for them to emerge was if WRE lost Britannia_inferior and Britannia_superior (provinces which have 'britain' hidden resource)- then they're meant to emerge as independent (but not hording) army.

Flaw we had with putting them into Britain (without taking 'britain' resource out) is that it also seems to try and trigger emergence if RB lose those two provinces.
I think CTD was if there was any other RB leader still alive outside of the last of those two provinces to fall - on map or in other city (RB was also hardcoded so that an army with leader can survive without city) so CTD would be due to it trying to emerge the RB whilst they still exist on map.

If you already have them on the map I think you should just be able to take out 'britain' hidden resource for future campaigns - don't know if it will help your saved game though.

i see, where is the hidden resource? is it in the descre strat file?

[Makanyane]

where is the hidden resource? is it in the descre strat file?

No, hidden resources are allocated to regions in
descr_regions.txt
all used hidden resources have to be listed at the top of
export_descr_building.txt
the britain hidden resource is also used in this file to condition the recruitment of graal knights.

To disable hardcoded trigger and keep graal knights available I think you can just change all the instances of 'britain' to something else 'england', whatever...

Can't remember if you have to delete map.rwm to get that sort of change in descr_regions.txt picked up.

[Byzantine Mercenary]

il give that a try