Great Wall of Mexico

[Csargo]

Ok I was just wondering if anyone thinks that this is a good idea or not to keep illegal immigrants out of America.

[John86]

Ok I was just wondering if anyone thinks that this is a good idea or not to keep illegal immigrants out of America.

Um.... Obviously.

[Ice]

Well, wall is vague. I don't think a Berlin style wall is necessary, but better fences and walls need to be put up, along with more board patrol stations.

[solypsist]

this thread is practically begging to be locked: no Gah option.

[Uesugi Kenshin]

I don't think it's a good idea. Better border control definately is, but walls don't tend to work too well. Especially if they dig tunnels as they have in the past, including at least one extremely long one that had a thread dedicated to it here.

[Joker85]

Wall or no wall the first thing we need to do is send the guard down to the border to augment the border patrol until such a time as we can massively increase the funding and personel of the border patrol itself.

The second thing we need to do is change the penalties for those caught entering illegaly. As it stands now someone can come in, get caught, get sent back, and a few days later they are caught again. Imho, it should go something like this:

1st offense: sent back
2nd offense: fined and sent back
3rd offense: 3 months in jail, sent back
4th+ offense: 2 years in jail, sent back

I'm sorry but if you get caught and kicked out 4 times and keep coming back nothing short of real jail time will deter you. And no matter how many BP/NG agents we have on the border if people know you can get caught as many times as you want and just come right back we'll never control our borders.

[BHCWarman88]

Wall or no wall the first thing we need to do is send the guard down to the border to augment the border patrol until such a time as we can massively increase the funding and personel of the border patrol itself.

The second thing we need to do is change the penalties for those caught entering illegaly. As it stands now someone can come in, get caught, get sent back, and a few days later they are caught again. Imho, it should go something like this:

1st offense: sent back
2nd offense: fined and sent back
3rd offense: 3 months in jail, sent back
4th+ offense: 2 years in jail, sent back

I'm sorry but if you get caught and kicked out 4 times and keep coming back nothing short of real jail time will deter you. And no matter how many BP/NG agents we have on the border if people know you can get caught as many times as you want and just come right back we'll never control our borders.

nope


1st Time,Sent back

2nd Time, in Jail 5 Years

3nd Time, Shot

[Devastatin Dave]

Wall, gun turrents, mines. Mexico is slowly invading the United States and its time to fight this problem the way it should be fought. I want a wall and fields of bleaching white bones in the desert on the Mexican side to reminds those that invasion through illegal means is not the answer.

[solypsist]

after reading this story, i think we need a wall to keep mexicans safe:

"Two white teenagers severely beat and sodomized a 16-year-old Hispanic boy who they believed had tried to kiss a 12-year-old white girl at a party in Spring, Texas, authorities said."

http://www.ksat.com/news/9044684/detail.html

[solypsist]

funnily enough , i feel the same way about iraq!

I want...fields of bleaching white bones in the desert...to reminds those that invasion through illegal means is not the answer.

[Devastatin Dave]

after reading this story, i think we need a wall to keep mexicans safe:

"Two white teenagers severely beat and sodomized a 16-year-old Hispanic boy who they believed had tried to kiss a 12-year-old white girl at a party in Spring, Texas, authorities said."

http://www.ksat.com/news/9044684/detail.html

I don't think you want to go down that path soly considering the number of hispanic violent crimes and prison population in the United States far outweigh evil whitey's numbers. But then again that's facts and that would get in the way of your need to make Americans, particularly white, look like Klansmen.

[lars573]

The best solution is to invade and annex Mexico to the US. That way everyone is even less happy then they are now.

[Kanamori]

I don't think you want to go down that path soly considering the number of hispanic violent crimes and prison population in the United States far outweigh evil whitey's numbers. But then again that's facts and that would get in the way of your need to make Americans, particularly white, look like Klansmen.

I don't see how that adresses the fact, or is it retaliation?

[Joker85]

The best solution is to invade and annex Mexico to the US. That way everyone is even less happy then they are now.

No see what we need to do is invade Guatemala. Then we pump that baby full of cash and make sure the standard of living is higher than in Mexico. That way all the illegalls will stop coming north and instead poor over their own southern border.

[Devastatin Dave]

funnily enough , i feel the same way about iraq!

I'm sure nothing would make your sun dial strike high noon faster than to see your fellow countrymen dead. Your post is very telling. Are you still going to Iraq? Hopefully those "illegal Aliens" over there will be nice enough to keep your unthankful butt safe. Maybe you'll get the chance to make sexy photos of some blown up "illegal alien" soldiers over there. I bet that will just make you all creamy under your burka.

[Joker85]

I'm sure nothing would make your sun dial strike high noon faster than to see your fellow countrymen dead. Your post is very telling. Are you still going to Iraq? Hopefully those "illegal Aliens" over there will be nice enough to keep your unthankful butt safe. Maybe you'll get the chance to make sexy photos of some blown up "illegal alien" soldiers over there. I bet that will just make you all creamy under your burka.

Well he is in fact the ultimate coward. He has enough hate for America that he wishes our soldiers dead, yet not enough hate to prevent him from leeching off this country and our standard of living. So not only does he stand for nothing, he's a coward and a leech.

I'd be ashamed to move to Britain and go "damn I hate this place so much I wish their people would die... but I don't hate it enough to leave or anything like that, then I couldn't enjoy this lush lifestyle!!".

I guess that's why all he's left with is whining on a video game board about it. That's his great claim to fame. "Daddy, what did you do to stand up for what you believe in?" "Well son, I moved to the country that I hate and wished bad things upon it while I cried about them on the internet and leeched all the fruits of their work."

[Ice]

The best solution is to invade and annex Mexico to the US. That way everyone is even less happy then they are now.

Just annex the vacation spots and I'll be happy. That way going to Cacun and Cabo will be easier; no customs or immigration!

[Devastatin Dave]

Well he is in fact the ultimate coward. He has enough hate for America that he wishes our soldiers dead, yet not enough hate to prevent him from leeching off this country and our standard of living. So not only does he stand for nothing, he's a coward and a leech.

I'd be ashamed to move to Britain and go "damn I hate this place so much I wish their people would die... but I don't hate it enough to leave or anything like that, then I couldn't enjoy this lush lifestyle!!".

I guess that's why all he's left with is whining on a video game board about it. That's his great claim to fame. "Daddy, what did you do to stand up for what you believe in?" "Well son, I moved to the country that I hate and wished bad things upon it while I cried about them on the internet and leeched all the fruits of their work."

Great post. My post will get me warnings, your's deserves great praise!!!

[AntiochusIII]

Finally, another immigration thread! I've been waiting so long I thought the Konservative Klub was dead![/sarcasm]

Alors...

Ok I was just wondering if anyone thinks that this is a good idea or not to keep illegal immigrants out of America.

Complex, vague question. Limited poll choices that forced out only extreme positions.

Lions!

this thread is practically begging to be locked: no Gah option.

Where is Pindar when you need him?

[solypsist]

by your logic any german who didnt cheer the reich as they poured over the polish border was an ultimate coward. nice. an illegal war is an illegal war, plain and simple, and i'm against all parts of the mehcanism that continue it.

Well he is in fact the ultimate coward. He has enough hate for America that he wishes our soldiers dead, yet not enough hate to prevent him from leeching off this country and our standard of living. So not only does he stand for nothing, he's a coward and a leech.

okay okay - you totally got me. of course i don't mean what i typed. it'd be stupid to want people to die. i wrote it to point out the selective hypocrisy of supporting one "illegal invasion" over another.

[Devastatin Dave]

The invasion of Iraq was not illegal. If you want to compare with your silly arguement, there are over 100,000 "illegal invaders" in Iraq compared to the estimated 12,000,000 true illegals that have invaded the US. Even with your warped logic, it still does not compare. Be sure to not pack any of that #### your hitting between posts because I'm not going to go to New York to bail you out.

[Joker85]

okay okay - you totally got me. of course i don't mean what i typed. it'd be stupid to want people to die. i wrote it to point out the selective hypocrisy of supporting one "illegal invasion" over another.

You simply declaring a war illegal is quite worthless. Allow me to provide an example.

My name is Joker, I'm against illegal posts by people named solypsist! Wow, that was fun. I think I'll declare everything I disagree with illegal to gain legitimacy. In fact, if you reply to what I'm typing right now, that's illegal.

Once again we find people who simply love to toss illegal on everything they possibly can.

As to your World War 2 analogy, aside from the obvious ignorance of even attempting to compare the American invasion of Iraq which removed a regime that was actually committing acts similar to the nazis, you are a coward and leech not because you are against the war.

You are a coward and leech because you wish our soldiers dead, which obviously shows a high level of hate. But your "hate" and "opposition" stops at the point where you have to do anything more than whine on the internet about it. So you enjoy the freedoms and prosperity that the very people you wish dead fought and died for.

Basically, you're against the war, but not enough against it to do anything more than type about it.

You wish our soldiers dead, but not enough to stop leeching off their blood and sweat.

Remember though, you can't respond here, I've declared that illegal. Therefore it is!

[solypsist]

yep. just me alright.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3661134.stm

anyway, think what you want. i refuse to try to fit into anyone else's definition of what a "patriot" is. i'm a citizen of the world and have moved far beyond the parochial nature of wrapping just one country's flag around me to feel "secure." people who need the security of a one-dimensional world view are people i tend to avoid.

You simply declaring a war illegal is quite worthless.

[AntiochusIII]

The invasion of Iraq was not illegal.

Neither was the invasion of Poland, nor were the invasions of France and the Soviet Union, and since you did not seem to recognize any world-level organizations' authority, neither was the invasion of the neutral Low Countries. It's all legal in the Iron Law of the Reich!



But oh no! I'm comparing the USA against the Nazis! I'm an evil liberal commie bastard! Oh no!

...create your own correlation...

:P

[Devastatin Dave]

Neither was the invasion of Poland, nor were the invasions of France and the Soviet Union, and since you did not seem to recognize any world-level organizations' authority, neither was the invasion of the neutral Low Countries. It's all legal in the Iron Law of the Reich!



But oh no! I'm comparing the USA against the Nazis! I'm an evil liberal commie bastard! Oh no!

...create your own correlation...

:P

Yup, you've got the United States figured out. We're actually Nazis. Wow, great arguement. When you can't talk about reality, its always easier to call someone a Nazi. That's always a winner. Gotta go, time to put another Jew on the barbie...

[Joker85]

yep. just me alright.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3661134.stm

i see now what users who post purely with their emotions tend to miss the greater meaning of my replies.

He said the decision to take action in Iraq should have been made by the Security Council

Ah, now I get it.

The head of a non elected, undemocratic, massively corrupt, horribly incompetent international body declares anything that doesn't pass and recieve the blessing of that body illegal, and that means what again?

The UN has been around what 50 years? I guess every war in the history of man kind before that was "illegal".

Last time I checked, the Constitution says nothing about recieving the Ok from Syria and Iran before we act in what we believed to be self defense.

But nice try.

The last time I checked, the United States, Great Britain, Australia, Italy, and the other nations involved in Iraq with us did not scede our sovereignty to a corrupt body of beauracrats appointed with no say from the people. A body that put Sudan on its human rights commision. A body that put Iran on its non proliferation commission.

Speaking of which, legalized slavery and borderline genocide is going on in the Sudan right now, everyone is still waiting on the UN to act. It took the UN how long to act in Rwanda again? Oh yeah, after 1 million people were hacked to death. Kofi Annan might want to focus on stuff like that instead of declaring any military action taken by sovereign not approved by him and whatever nations happen to be on the security council during that stretch "illegal". He also might want to make sure nations on the security council arn't being bribed by the nation(s) military action is being contemplated against.

[Reenk Roink]

This is quite possibly the most disgusting thread ever:

First, the question is so simplistic, and the answers so black and white that Gah is necessary to account for the wide range of views.

Second:

1st Time,Sent back

2nd Time, in Jail 5 Years

3nd Time, Shot

OK, are you actually advocating the killings of border crossers?

And what the hell is this?

Wall, gun turrents, mines. Mexico is slowly invading the United States and its time to fight this problem the way it should be fought. I want a wall and fields of bleaching white bones in the desert on the Mexican side to reminds those that invasion through illegal means is not the answer.

This is disgusting and depraved, even for you Dave...

And then you guys twist around solypsist's remark?

His statement clearly was showing the absolute idiocy and evilness of Dave's, and now it's turned around on him. Why didn't anyone censure the comments about killing Mexicans?

Close this thread...

[solypsist]

are you talking about the UN or about Bush's (first) term when he invaded Iraq?

Ah, now I get it.

The head of a non elected, undemocratic, massively corrupt, horribly incompetent international body declares anything that doesn't pass and recieve the blessing of that body illegal, and that means what again?

it's funny how Bushies always portray the UN as antiquated and obsolete except when it serves their purposes not to. either is is, or it isn't , none of this selective redefining on a case-by-case basis. anyway, you missed my poitn entirely by going into knee-jerk reaction mode of deriding the UN instead of seeing that my statement about the Iraq invasion being illegal was not a figment of my imagination.

[Joker85]

Neither was the invasion of Poland, nor were the invasions of France and the Soviet Union, and since you did not seem to recognize any world-level organizations' authority, neither was the invasion of the neutral Low Countries. It's all legal in the Iron Law of the Reich!


:P

In your attempt at sarcasm, you are actually right.

In fact, even Saddams invasion of Kuwait was not "illegal". Illegal is simply a propaganda word when it comes to wars.

Saddams invasion was immoral, therefore we acted.

I have no problem debating about whether a war, ANY war is moral or right. But for someone to declare a war illegal is rather simplistic.

One of the fundamental rights of nations is to declare war and make peace. It would be great if we all lived in a paradise where there was no war. But we don't. And since we don't, sovereign nations with the right of self determination have the right to declare war when they view it nescessary. Again though, that is not to say that every war is "right" or "moral". That is, and should be debated. But to declare a war illegal requires there be a "legal" war. And that's laughable. As much as Kofi might not like it, his body is not the "world congress". His body is not elected. His body is not vested by the people of the world to make laws and declare what is legal and what is not.

A good example is Rwanda. The UN did not act during that genocide. If (and I believe it is our everlasting shame that we did not) the US and our allies had decided to intervene in spite of the UN and act to put a stop to it, would that be "illegal"? Of course not. But don't let that get in the way. Carry on. By the way, don't think I've forgotten how you illegally responded to this thread!

[Devastatin Dave]

Close this thread...

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