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    Default Re: Callete! Este es nuestro pais y nuestro himno nacional ahora!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
    Soulforged, I have a deep respect and admiration for Latin American culture. Yes, the United States has been blessed to embrace it in the past, and will be blessed to continue to embrace it. Ustedes tienen mucho a darnos, y estaremos muy estupido a no aceptarlo. No se como a decir 'share' en espanol, but I meant share with us, not give to us.
    Se dice compartir. The attitude of this people also scares me in some way, they appear to be fundamentalist of some kind. However I still don't see any more than an irrational fear.
    But we have much here of value already. To show up and demand that the culture and language change to match that of the country you just left, and all existing other cultures be damned.... I'm sorry, I don't have much respect for that attitude.
    I still don't understand where's the dramatic change that will force you to adapt a certain culture. Maybe you should learn spanish to adapt yourself to an inevitable change, but all other things can and will be shared. Your culture, again, will change even if you don't like it, legal immigrants can still run free to your lands and create any changes to your culture, as they please. Culture will not change by a single movement, a law, or anything of that kind, it will be long and subtle process of change. English became the most important language in the world, not only because it sounds cool, it's because you need it to do business, and I don't see any signs of that changing, wheter it's on the USA or outside.
    The translation wasn't a direct translation. They changed some lines to change the meaning to suit their agenda.
    First, you cannot make a direct translation because it will have no rhyme. Second, even so, why monopolize the culture? Why a group of people should have the right to dictate to another group how they should dress, what they should sign, what's the anthem that they should respect? Perhaps it's time to change that attitude. I really don't care if my anthem changes, if we adapt the american culture and we stop drinking "mate", if it happens it will happen. I don't believe I've the power of the right to keep it like it was, to mantain traditions, to save the past from the future. And again, this is a question that goes beyond illegal immigration, your culture will change even if the immigrants are completely legal, is simply an human process, and we're ruled by humans, not by God, not by traditions, not by texts... I understand that some people will be incredibly reluctant to accept a change of their national anthem, is something that we learn to love, but still there's nothing more than an irrational fear in that. I had recently read an article of hispanoamericans in the USA. It appers that over the long decades of immigration, the hispanos have learned to take something from american culture that they find particulary appealing to them, that's consumism, patriotism, a healthy democratic attitude (learn to defend your rights, campaing to change something through vote,etc), between other things, but they always keep something from their culture, and that eventually provoques a change in their neighborgs, this will continue to spread.
    Quote Originally Posted by GoreBag
    Canada's had a French and English version of the national anthem for a while now, and, well, the world didn't end.
    Exactly. Canada is one the best known proof that mixtures of languages does not means the end of the world. The people form a country, not traditions, not laws, not state...
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcellus
    Surely that's because both English and French are official languages in Canada? Although the USA has no official language as such, de facto English is the (only) official language.
    Surely you'll agree that if two official languages don't mean chaos, then monopolizing languages is not a very healthy or reasonable attitude from the government. I still want to know how many hispanos there's on the USA, that's the single most important thing to determine a lot of things in this thread.
    EDIT: "Hispanics of any race 14.1%, or 41.3 million." It doesn't seem too big. And still it provoques changes. Seriously, I don't think that this movements will do any more noise than what they're doing now, perhaps when the hispanic popullation reaches %40, then we'll be talking. Of course in this census the illegal immigrants are not included.
    Last edited by Soulforged; 04-29-2006 at 19:41.
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