Callete! Este es nuestro pais y nuestro himno nacional ahora!!!

[GoreBag]

Surely that's because both English and French are official languages in Canada? Although the USA has no official language as such, de facto English is the (only) official language.

Yeah, although certain parts of Canada speak very little French at all. Maybe certain states should adopt a Spanish version of the song, to be re-written, of course.

[lars573]

Only 2 are not officially English. Quebec (durr right) which is French first, and New Brunswick which is billingual. Also our French population has been here since day 1. We never haven't as yet had to go through the painful and multi-generational task of assimilating a new culture.

[GoreBag]

Only 2 are not officially English. Quebec (durr right) which is French first, and New Brunswick which is billingual. Also our French population has been here since day 1. We never haven't as yet had to go through the painful and multi-generational task of assimilating a new culture.

I disagree. The French Canadians are still dealing with assimilation problems. Even if I do live in an officially English province, we still sing the national anthem in that half-English, half-French medley, and I imagine other places do too (Manitoba, notably).

[Louis VI the Fat]

The French Canadians are still dealing with assimilation problems.

Gah, the problem is that the English didn't assimilate to the French. Canada had been French for two centuries, until it was overrun by the English. Who, much like the latino's at present, won the demographic race and tried to impose their language and culture on an already existing nation.

*shamelessly disregards the native Americans*

[Tribesman]

oh wait, those guys are the nutty ones,
Stop it Soly , how dare you . Ok fair enough some people wish to focus ona small group of extremist nuts to labbel every possible protest down to a bunch of nuts as it makes it easier to dodge the issue , but that is their right ,just like it is everone elses right to turn round and say they is talking bollox .
It is exactly the same as taking a statement from the Aryan nations and saying "this is the viewpoint" .

Don my darling (but not in a gay way Hello pot, this is kettle, you're black


How exactly?
You came across some dumb bog-trotter (yes that is offensive and I use the expression very often towards racist gobshites at work or down the pub) down in Killarney ,who probably considers people from the next parish as foriegners , or even people from the other end of the same parish as creatures with two heads .
And try and corelate it to my statements .... well sorry but in that concern this pot or kettle is working on clean electric and ain't getting tarnished by smoke .
So try something else , it is always possible to come back from the backfoot , as long as you stop insisting that the backfoot is really the frontfoot .

Edit to add ..This angers me assainslte its not that hard
well its clearly too hard to undertand Strike , what does assainslte mean ?

[Louis VI the Fat]

[Edit to add ..This angers me assainslte its not that hard
well its clearly too hard to undertand Strike , what does assainslte mean ?

1 - It's a reply to (English) Assassin.
2 - Assainslte is Spanglish slang which we're not expected to understand anyway.
3 - Ainslte is his boyfriend, who can't get it up: "This angers me ass, Ainslte. It's not that hard".

[Soulforged]

1 - It's a reply to (English) Assassin.
2 - Assainslte is Spanglish slang which we're not expected to understand anyway.
3 - Inslte is his boyfriend, who can't get it up: "This angers me ass, Inslte. It's not that hard".

LOL.

It is exactly the same as taking a statement from the Aryan nations and saying "this is the viewpoint" .

We share the same vission I see.

[lars573]

I disagree. The French Canadians are still dealing with assimilation problems. Even if I do live in an officially English province, we still sing the national anthem in that half-English, half-French medley, and I imagine other places do too (Manitoba, notably).

The problem is that for 200 years the English tried to stamp out the French via strangulation. Then 40 years ago the English majority went "You can be French it's cool." Both groups are still adapting to the new reality that we are going to coexist without one stamping on the other.

[Strike For The South]

This angers me assainslte its not that hard

[GoreBag]

The problem is that for 200 years the English tried to stamp out the French via strangulation. Then 40 years ago the English majority went "You can be French it's cool." Both groups are still adapting to the new reality that we are going to coexist without one stamping on the other.

Yeah, that's about right, if only ignoring the Acadians a little. Giving me the timeline to the culture relations doesn't invalidate my point, though.

[Brenus]

“Then 40 years ago the English majority went "You can be French it's cool."
Hum, and also few bombs and terrorism from the French Canadians if I remember well.
This text is coming from a probably pro-independence site. However, the chronoly of the 1970’s is correct.

“By the time the 1960s arrived, French culture and language was under assault in Quebec. Many people of French heritage in Quebec couldn’t speak the language; the Roman Catholic Church was under assault, as were the French institutions such as education and law that were fundamentally different from those of their Anglo counterparts. Must as the United States had its own Cultural Revolution in the 1960s, Quebec did as well. In Quebec, there was a revival of the French language and French culture. This revolution naturally led to a revival of Quebec nationalism. This Quebec nationalism was fuelled by the 1967 visit of French President Charles de Gaulle when he proclaimed “Vive le Quebec Libre!” (Long Live Free Quebec!). This led to the founding of the separatist Parti Quebecois by Rene Levesque. Two years later, militants create a crisis in Quebec during which civil liberties were suspended in Quebec. A bombing campaign, the kidnapping of a British diplomat, and other events led to this. This was really the high point of anti-Unionist violence in Quebec.
Following the turbulent early seventies, the movement toward Quebec independence grew more peaceful. In 1980, there was a referendum for Quebec independence. Though it failed by a 3-2 margin, it showed that there was in fact significant support for an independent Quebec state (nearly half of the French-speaking Quebecois voted in favour of independence). At this point, the rest of Canada realized that secession was a real possibility. Proposals were initiated that would amend Canada’s 1982 Constitution that would recognize Quebec as a distinct society within Canada. In 1987, this Meech Lake Accord was drafted. However, in 1990, this Meech Lake Accord failed to gain ratification. It was at this point that many Quebec nationalists vowed that Quebec would in fact gain its independence.
In 1994, Jacques Parizeau won the premiership (governorship) of Quebec on a platform of promising a referendum on Quebec independence. This vote occurred in 1995. In the weeks leading up to the referendum, polls were indicating that the people of Quebec would in fact vote for independence. At that point, government owned agencies (including Air Canada) offered pro-Unionists incentives to go and vote for continued union with Canada. As a result of this corruption on the pro-Union side, the referendum was defeated by a 50.6 to 49.4% margin. I remember at that time, as a Quebecois-American, the despair that both myself felt as well as friends of mine in Athens who were natives of Quebec. We thought that our homeland would finally be free, but alas the Unionists plotted to keep Quebec firmly under the yoke of Canada.
Quebec is indeed a nation. The people of Quebec speak a different language, practice a different religious faith, have different legal and educational institutions, and have a different culture than the rest of Canada. This certainly is enough to define Quebec as a nation. As a forced member of Canada, it can also be classified as a captive-nation. This is much the same status that was granted the nations captured by the Soviet Union during the Cold War. Until Quebec achieves its independence from Canada, it will continue to be a captive nation and will be an abomination to the North American continent until it finally is able to claim its independence and join the global family of free and independent nations.
VIVE LE QUEBEC LIBRE!!!”

[Proletariat]

I couldn't give a damn about the sanctity of the Queen's english, but anyone who knowingly purchases anything from any business that hires these illegals is an out right scab.

"The meat packers are confirming what we know," says University of Maryland economics professor Peter Morici, "and that is that this large group of illegal aliens in the United States is lowering the wage rate of semiskilled workers, people who are high school dropouts or high school graduates with minimal training."

In fact, a meat-packing job paid $19 an hour in 1980, but today that same job pays closer to $9 an hour, according to the Labor Department. That's entirely consistent with what we've been reporting -- that illegal aliens depress wages for U.S. workers by as much as $200 billion a year in addition to placing a tremendous burden on hospitals, schools and other social services.

Radicalism is not confined to Gutierrez and Latino Movement USA. Ernesto Nevarez of the L.A. Port Collective is promising to shut down the Port of Los Angeles today: "[Transportation and commerce] will come to a grinding halt. ...They are going to put a wall along the border with Mexico. We're going to put a wall between us and the ocean. And those containers ain't going to move."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/01/dob...grantprotests/

ROFL, you can thank the party that's supposed to be protecting the little guys from the evil capitolists for the bolded text. Way to out do the Republicans with whoring your own principles and ideals. Next they'll be clamoring for another minimum wage hike!

[GoreBag]

“Then 40 years ago the English majority went "You can be French it's cool."
Hum, and also few bombs and terrorism from the French Canadians if I remember well.
This text is coming from a probably pro-independence site. However, the chronoly of the 1970’s is correct.

“In 1994, Jacques Parizeau won the premiership (governorship) of Quebec on a platform of promising a referendum on Quebec independence. This vote occurred in 1995. In the weeks leading up to the referendum, polls were indicating that the people of Quebec would in fact vote for independence. At that point, government owned agencies (including Air Canada) offered pro-Unionists incentives to go and vote for continued union with Canada. As a result of this corruption on the pro-Union side, the referendum was defeated by a 50.6 to 49.4% margin. I remember at that time, as a Quebecois-American, the despair that both myself felt as well as friends of mine in Athens who were natives of Quebec. We thought that our homeland would finally be free, but alas the Unionists plotted to keep Quebec firmly under the yoke of Canada.”

Yeah, the bias is obvious.

[lars573]

Yeah, that's about right, if only ignoring the Acadians a little. Giving me the timeline to the culture relations doesn't invalidate my point, though.

And I'm saying that the assimilation of bilingualism is going to have to be done by both sides.

Hum, and also few bombs and terrorism from the French Canadians if I remember well.

Actually the bombs and terrorism came after the first billingual act of parliment.

Taken from the Government of Canada's website. http://www.canadianheritage.gc.ca/pr...ing/hist_e.cfm

1969

Following the work of the Commission, the first Official Languages Act is adopted by Parliament. Its three main objectives are:
the equality of English and French in Parliament, within the Government of Canada, the federal administration and institutions subject to the Act;
the preservation and development of official language communities in Canada ;
the equality of English and French in Canadian society.

New Brunswick enacts its first Official Languages Act , making it Canada 's first, and only, officially bilingual province.

EDIT:Also Quebec is not a viable independant nation.

[Beirut]

EDIT:Also Quebec is not a viable independant nation.

(Sorry. OT)

I disagree, Quebec is extremely viable as an independent nation. It is the size of half of Europe, has tremendous natural resources, top notch hospitals, universities, economic and political infrastructures, a world class work force with first rate aerospace and computer industries, as well as a vibrant and healthy culture and artistic community.

On the other hand, viability as an independent nation does not mean it should be one. Many states and provinces would do fine as independent countries. BC, Alberta, California, Texas, to name a few. But their being part of a greater whole is better. Though that viewpoint appears to be subjective to many.