Callete! Este es nuestro pais y nuestro himno nacional ahora!!!

[lars573]

I disagree. The French Canadians are still dealing with assimilation problems. Even if I do live in an officially English province, we still sing the national anthem in that half-English, half-French medley, and I imagine other places do too (Manitoba, notably).

The problem is that for 200 years the English tried to stamp out the French via strangulation. Then 40 years ago the English majority went "You can be French it's cool." Both groups are still adapting to the new reality that we are going to coexist without one stamping on the other.

[Strike For The South]

This angers me assainslte its not that hard

[GoreBag]

The problem is that for 200 years the English tried to stamp out the French via strangulation. Then 40 years ago the English majority went "You can be French it's cool." Both groups are still adapting to the new reality that we are going to coexist without one stamping on the other.

Yeah, that's about right, if only ignoring the Acadians a little. Giving me the timeline to the culture relations doesn't invalidate my point, though.

[Brenus]

“Then 40 years ago the English majority went "You can be French it's cool."
Hum, and also few bombs and terrorism from the French Canadians if I remember well.
This text is coming from a probably pro-independence site. However, the chronoly of the 1970’s is correct.

“By the time the 1960s arrived, French culture and language was under assault in Quebec. Many people of French heritage in Quebec couldn’t speak the language; the Roman Catholic Church was under assault, as were the French institutions such as education and law that were fundamentally different from those of their Anglo counterparts. Must as the United States had its own Cultural Revolution in the 1960s, Quebec did as well. In Quebec, there was a revival of the French language and French culture. This revolution naturally led to a revival of Quebec nationalism. This Quebec nationalism was fuelled by the 1967 visit of French President Charles de Gaulle when he proclaimed “Vive le Quebec Libre!” (Long Live Free Quebec!). This led to the founding of the separatist Parti Quebecois by Rene Levesque. Two years later, militants create a crisis in Quebec during which civil liberties were suspended in Quebec. A bombing campaign, the kidnapping of a British diplomat, and other events led to this. This was really the high point of anti-Unionist violence in Quebec.
Following the turbulent early seventies, the movement toward Quebec independence grew more peaceful. In 1980, there was a referendum for Quebec independence. Though it failed by a 3-2 margin, it showed that there was in fact significant support for an independent Quebec state (nearly half of the French-speaking Quebecois voted in favour of independence). At this point, the rest of Canada realized that secession was a real possibility. Proposals were initiated that would amend Canada’s 1982 Constitution that would recognize Quebec as a distinct society within Canada. In 1987, this Meech Lake Accord was drafted. However, in 1990, this Meech Lake Accord failed to gain ratification. It was at this point that many Quebec nationalists vowed that Quebec would in fact gain its independence.
In 1994, Jacques Parizeau won the premiership (governorship) of Quebec on a platform of promising a referendum on Quebec independence. This vote occurred in 1995. In the weeks leading up to the referendum, polls were indicating that the people of Quebec would in fact vote for independence. At that point, government owned agencies (including Air Canada) offered pro-Unionists incentives to go and vote for continued union with Canada. As a result of this corruption on the pro-Union side, the referendum was defeated by a 50.6 to 49.4% margin. I remember at that time, as a Quebecois-American, the despair that both myself felt as well as friends of mine in Athens who were natives of Quebec. We thought that our homeland would finally be free, but alas the Unionists plotted to keep Quebec firmly under the yoke of Canada.
Quebec is indeed a nation. The people of Quebec speak a different language, practice a different religious faith, have different legal and educational institutions, and have a different culture than the rest of Canada. This certainly is enough to define Quebec as a nation. As a forced member of Canada, it can also be classified as a captive-nation. This is much the same status that was granted the nations captured by the Soviet Union during the Cold War. Until Quebec achieves its independence from Canada, it will continue to be a captive nation and will be an abomination to the North American continent until it finally is able to claim its independence and join the global family of free and independent nations.
VIVE LE QUEBEC LIBRE!!!”

[Proletariat]

I couldn't give a damn about the sanctity of the Queen's english, but anyone who knowingly purchases anything from any business that hires these illegals is an out right scab.

"The meat packers are confirming what we know," says University of Maryland economics professor Peter Morici, "and that is that this large group of illegal aliens in the United States is lowering the wage rate of semiskilled workers, people who are high school dropouts or high school graduates with minimal training."

In fact, a meat-packing job paid $19 an hour in 1980, but today that same job pays closer to $9 an hour, according to the Labor Department. That's entirely consistent with what we've been reporting -- that illegal aliens depress wages for U.S. workers by as much as $200 billion a year in addition to placing a tremendous burden on hospitals, schools and other social services.

Radicalism is not confined to Gutierrez and Latino Movement USA. Ernesto Nevarez of the L.A. Port Collective is promising to shut down the Port of Los Angeles today: "[Transportation and commerce] will come to a grinding halt. ...They are going to put a wall along the border with Mexico. We're going to put a wall between us and the ocean. And those containers ain't going to move."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/01/dob...grantprotests/

ROFL, you can thank the party that's supposed to be protecting the little guys from the evil capitolists for the bolded text. Way to out do the Republicans with whoring your own principles and ideals. Next they'll be clamoring for another minimum wage hike!

[Divinus Arma]

I couldn't give a damn about the sanctity of the Queen's english, but anyone who knowingly purchases anything from any business that hires these illegals is an out right scab.



http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/01/dob...grantprotests/

ROFL, you can thank the party that's supposed to be protecting the little guys from the evil capitolists for the bolded text. Way to out do the Republicans with whoring your own principles and ideals. Next they'll be clamoring for another minimum wage hike!

Great contribution Proly. I completely agree. Americans are gettin it...

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

One in the pink, and one in the stink.

[GoreBag]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

One in the pink, and one in the stink.

Doesn't sound so bad...

[GoreBag]

“Then 40 years ago the English majority went "You can be French it's cool."
Hum, and also few bombs and terrorism from the French Canadians if I remember well.
This text is coming from a probably pro-independence site. However, the chronoly of the 1970’s is correct.

“In 1994, Jacques Parizeau won the premiership (governorship) of Quebec on a platform of promising a referendum on Quebec independence. This vote occurred in 1995. In the weeks leading up to the referendum, polls were indicating that the people of Quebec would in fact vote for independence. At that point, government owned agencies (including Air Canada) offered pro-Unionists incentives to go and vote for continued union with Canada. As a result of this corruption on the pro-Union side, the referendum was defeated by a 50.6 to 49.4% margin. I remember at that time, as a Quebecois-American, the despair that both myself felt as well as friends of mine in Athens who were natives of Quebec. We thought that our homeland would finally be free, but alas the Unionists plotted to keep Quebec firmly under the yoke of Canada.”

Yeah, the bias is obvious.

[lars573]

Yeah, that's about right, if only ignoring the Acadians a little. Giving me the timeline to the culture relations doesn't invalidate my point, though.

And I'm saying that the assimilation of bilingualism is going to have to be done by both sides.

Hum, and also few bombs and terrorism from the French Canadians if I remember well.

Actually the bombs and terrorism came after the first billingual act of parliment.

Taken from the Government of Canada's website. http://www.canadianheritage.gc.ca/pr...ing/hist_e.cfm

1969

Following the work of the Commission, the first Official Languages Act is adopted by Parliament. Its three main objectives are:
the equality of English and French in Parliament, within the Government of Canada, the federal administration and institutions subject to the Act;
the preservation and development of official language communities in Canada ;
the equality of English and French in Canadian society.

New Brunswick enacts its first Official Languages Act , making it Canada 's first, and only, officially bilingual province.

EDIT:Also Quebec is not a viable independant nation.

[Beirut]

EDIT:Also Quebec is not a viable independant nation.

(Sorry. OT)

I disagree, Quebec is extremely viable as an independent nation. It is the size of half of Europe, has tremendous natural resources, top notch hospitals, universities, economic and political infrastructures, a world class work force with first rate aerospace and computer industries, as well as a vibrant and healthy culture and artistic community.

On the other hand, viability as an independent nation does not mean it should be one. Many states and provinces would do fine as independent countries. BC, Alberta, California, Texas, to name a few. But their being part of a greater whole is better. Though that viewpoint appears to be subjective to many.

[lars573]

(Sorry. OT)

I disagree, Quebec is extremely viable as an independent nation. It is the size of half of Europe, has tremendous natural resources, top notch hospitals, universities, economic and political infrastructures, a world class work force with first rate aerospace and computer industries, as well as a vibrant and healthy culture and artistic community.

On the other hand, viability as an independent nation does not mean it should be one. Many states and provinces would do fine as independent countries. BC, Alberta, California, Texas, to name a few. But their being part of a greater whole is better. Though that viewpoint appears to be subjective to many.

Take away Montreal and what's left?

[Fragony]

Kewl, america is becomming just like europe

[Beirut]

Take away Montreal and what's left?

An enormous land mass with huge amounts of fresh water, plenty of excellent farm land, almost immeasurable natural resources, and roughly four million people to take advantage of it.

To be honest, you'd have to be an idiot not to be able to make a country out of Quebec.

[BigTex]

Originally posted by BHCWarman88
if not,mabye we should just shoot them or something.

Originally posted by BigTex
That would be to costly. In Iraq for every enemy killed there's and expenditure of 200,000 bullets. Now there's 20 million illegal immigrants in the USA. So for the sake of argument say there's a 10,000 to 1 kill/bullet ratio, that would require 2,000,000,000,000 bullets. Each round of M-16 5.56mmx45mm ammunition costs around .52 cents. The total cost would come to $1,040,000,000,000 just to get rid of the current number of illegals in this country. Thats not including the people who will try to cross in the future. Unfeasible to shoot them all.

Now Tribesman did mention something about Zyclon B though you might be interested in.

It seems like the sentiments from those in Europe or in the Northeast are this problem is just occurring now. Well it hasnt, the problem has been in the south western states for over a decade. Its only now that its nationally known problem. Monday was quite a nice day, I'd just wish it was like this the rest of the time.



Everybody loves BigTex.

[lars573]

An enormous land mass with huge amounts of fresh water, plenty of excellent farm land, almost immeasurable natural resources, and roughly four million people to take advantage of it.

To be honest, you'd have to be an idiot not to be able to make a country out of Quebec.

That is why Quebec could never be made into a viable country. The seperatist leaders are all idiots.