Damn Oblivion to HELL!!!

[Rosacrux redux]

I hereby place a course on all thee who actually convinced me to buy that unspeakable game! Damn thee all!

Several days ago I asked some guys at a relevant topic wether I should invest some of my hard-earned money into Oblivion... and they said sure, go ahead, you won't regret it. You bloody !!!!

I did buy that game. And installed it. And played it. And played some more. And resisted the temptation to shut it down and continue some of my hard work (to make a decent living, I got to write at home too...). And I played some more. And I had to repel my wife who came nagging about why I play games instead of taking her out. And played some more. And before I know it, my spouse was sleaping, the clock hit the 3 in the morning mark and I still wanted to play on!!!!

A few days have passed. I am fighting hordes of daedra, goblins, bandits, vampires, my wife, my work deadline, my social life... so much fight... I fear I am gonna end up

And that's not all... this creeping abomination, that Oblivion, has been installed onto me hard drive... and now won't go! I tried exorcism, tried the reiki, the mantras, holy water... to no avail! It's here to stay! It won't go no matter what!

HELP ME!

[Somebody Else]

I know the feeling...

It's when you rack up over ten level 20 characters that you know there's a problem. But... every new mod demands a new character... Every dungeon needs to be crawled. Just have to find that last item of armour to complete a set... One more quest to be master of x guild...

I'm thinking of hiding the disc somewhere so I can get some revision done...

[Sjakihata]

Well, I think the game suck and don't want to play it. I played 5 hours top and never been playing it ever since - do you want an extra CD Rosacrux, in case yours breaks?

[Rosacrux redux]

Well, I think the game suck and don't want to play it. I played 5 hours top and never been playing it ever since - do you want an extra CD Rosacrux, in case yours breaks?

A happy man! Praise the Lord, there is still hope, people can resist this malady!

P.S. Do you think I wouldn't back up my DVD? If it'd brake, I'd die off some sort of privative syndrome

[The Wizard]

Humph, after the let-down titled "Morrowind" I am very sceptical regarding the Elder Scrolls.

[Samurai Waki]

I was sorely addicted to Oblivion when I first bought it. But I haven't touched it in about a month. Just too much other stuff to do.

[John86]

Once all your saves become corrupt, you wont want to play anymore. The game is in desperate need of a patch, but Betheseda is doing the unthinkable, they actually have the testosteronial power to charge money for it!

[screwtype]

What I find staggering is the amount of advertising for this game. Everywhere I go there's an ad for it. There's even a billboard campaign here, It seems like every second billboard has another ad for Oblivion plastered all over it.

It must be costing them a fortune!

[Zalmoxis]

They need to spread propaganda.

[John86]

They released an "offical" mod recently, it cost a couple of dollars. All it did was add armor to the horses. There charging us money becasue they produced a bug induced game on steriods. Thanks Bethseda.

[screwtype]

They need to spread propaganda.

LOL.

[Fragony]

Humph, after the let-down titled "Morrowind" I am very sceptical regarding the Elder Scrolls.

It is a much better game, it isn't nearly as lifeless as Morrowind. Basicly, it rules.

[Steppe Merc]

What? How can people not only be bad mouthing Oblivion but also Morrowind? I think both are incredible games, despite the trouble I had setting my game to actually play on my computer. I hate the fact that Bethesda is charging for official "mods", but there are... ways... to acquire them without spending. Or so I've heard.

[Somebody Else]

Meh... a fiver for all three ain't too bad...

[John86]

Personally I thought Morrowind was amazing, and Oblivion was a huge step backwards (Except graphically)

[Steppe Merc]

Personally I thought Morrowind was amazing, and Oblivion was a huge step backwards (Except graphically)

Well, I haven't finished Oblivion like I did Morrowind. But I do agree, I find the relative lack of variety in armor and weapons very sad... like where are all the spears? Hopefully with mods the game will become as it should have been.

BTW, anyone heard about how the ESBR changed the rating to M? Apparently the idiots didn't realize the amount of blood and gore (Dark Brotherhood anyone? Or genatlia less zombies?), and people from Bethesda included a topless skin for modders to create strapless dresses etc.

[Lehesu]

What is scaring me from Oblivion (I love Morrowind) is all the horror stories about auto-leveling monsters and equipment that was once rare automatically leveling into a common gear on enemies. The fact that Bethesda is not releasing free mods and has failed to release the necessary tools for real user-made mods further sours the deal.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

Just take a breather.

Isn't the wife more important?...You know what I mean...

[Somebody Else]

What is scaring me from Oblivion (I love Morrowind) is all the horror stories about auto-leveling monsters and equipment that was once rare automatically leveling into a common gear on enemies. The fact that Bethesda is not releasing free mods and has failed to release the necessary tools for real user-made mods further sours the deal.

There are mods out there to fix that... Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul for one...

[Husar]

There are mods out there to fix that... Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul for one...

Yeah, but I heard(and believe it, because it´s usually like this) that these mods also change other things which you may not want to be changed.

[Rosacrux redux]

I was negatively predesposed on this autoleveling thingy as well... but when trying it out, it proved to be great, the fact that you can actually explore everything (but not beat everybody) from the get go, is a rare boon! And I was not a fan of Morrorwind, actually I played it only for a couple days before returning the copy to the friend who lend it to me (a gooood thing I didn't bought it...).

Oblivion's main point - for me - is that it's addictive as hell. I haven't had such kind of immersion in a RPG from the days of Baldur's Gate I, and that's... what, 7-8 years ago?

Alexander I am taking lotsa breathers... my wife is the type who doesn't take no for an answer, even if she has to take the keyboard&mouse from my cold dead fingers ...she just cut me some slack for the first 3-4 days.

[Somebody Else]

Yeah, but I heard(and believe it, because it´s usually like this) that these mods also change other things which you may not want to be changed.

Hmm, I've not got any complaints with the changes made... I suppose because I'd already played through the main quest twice before installing any mods. Now I have a plugin list as long as my arm installed.

Haven't played the game in a few days though - exams coming up...

[BigTex]

Well, I haven't finished Oblivion like I did Morrowind. But I do agree, I find the relative lack of variety in armor and weapons very sad... like where are all the spears? Hopefully with mods the game will become as it should have been.

BTW, anyone heard about how the ESBR changed the rating to M? Apparently the idiots didn't realize the amount of blood and gore (Dark Brotherhood anyone? Or genatlia less zombies?), and people from Bethesda included a topless skin for modders to create strapless dresses etc.

I believe the topless skins were probably user created mod, so the ESRB rating wouldn't have changed for that. But yeah I was confused as all heck trying to figure out how they got a T rating with all the Dark Brotherhood stuff in it. I remember doing the final DB quest and was (spoiler ahead turn around) floored that they had so many corpses in there, even baby corpses, and yet it was a T. Though I personally think Bethesda deserves a pat on the back for the "Who Dun It?" quest for DB, that was friggin hilarious.

Oblivion is a great game, so much better then Morrowind. The only thing better in morrowind was the main quest which was amazing. I havent played a game that is so immersive, so fun in such a long while. I havent played a game that has looked better then Oblivion, period, to quote X-Play here "they get reality better then reality.". The auto leveling was a novel idea, you can do anything at any level and have the same difficulty at it. You don't just become a high level and get a big axe and suddenly everything is a one hit wonder.

Originally posted by Husar
Yeah, but I heard(and believe it, because it´s usually like this) that these mods also change other things which you may not want to be changed.

Mods work differently for Elder Scrolls games then they do for most games. They use a Master and plugin for mods, master will always overrule a plugin so really no mod can screw your game. If any mod does screw up your game though, its easy to fix. Just shut it down and turn off that plug in and restart your game. Bethesda is quite good with the modding community, you are given the full spectrum of the developers tools (exceptions to seperate programs, like program packers and photoshop obviously.) to mod the game to your desire. Its possible to change almost anything in it. I often wish Activision had done this with RTW.

Seriously this game will go down in gaming history as one of the greats. Now I must get back to Oblivion, there's a fighters guild porter thats stalking my assassin.

[Steppe Merc]

I believe the topless skins were probably user created mod, so the ESRB rating wouldn't have changed for that. But yeah I was confused as all heck trying to figure out how they got a T rating with all the Dark Brotherhood stuff in it. I remember doing the final DB quest and was (spoiler ahead turn around) floored that they had so many corpses in there, even baby corpses, and yet it was a T. Though I personally think Bethesda deserves a pat on the back for the "Who Dun It?" quest for DB, that was friggin hilarious.

Well a seperate modder did add it in. But there was a topless skin in there that was included in the game but not part of it, as a modder's resource.

Mods work differently for Elder Scrolls games then they do for most games. They use a Master and plugin for mods, master will always overrule a plugin so really no mod can screw your game. If any mod does screw up your game though, its easy to fix. Just shut it down and turn off that plug in and restart your game. Bethesda is quite good with the modding community, you are given the full spectrum of the developers tools (exceptions to seperate programs, like program packers and photoshop obviously.) to mod the game to your desire. Its possible to change almost anything in it. I often wish Activision had done this with RTW.

I thought so too, but Bethesda gave them nothing to add in new models, animations or anything. In fact, I think it was easier to add animations to RTW than it will be to Oblivion, from what I've seen on the main forums about the mods. So while on the outside they seem to be catering to the modders, I still think their screwing them over.

Which leads me to wondering why companies claim to have really moddable games then screw over the modding comunity?

[The Wizard]

It is a much better game, it isn't nearly as lifeless as Morrowind. Basicly, it rules.

That isn't enough. What I need is a convincing argument to bring me off of my belief that the fighting system and the way the story fits into the game will suck again (not to mention a serious computer overhaul).

[econ21]

That isn't enough. What I need is a convincing argument to bring me off of my belief that the fighting system and the way the story fits into the game will suck again (not to mention a serious computer overhaul).

What was your problem with the fighting system? I did not like Morrowind's much - in melee, it seemed your target was always jumping around (Deus Ex had the same thing). Also the lack of level-scaling meant you often died in one or two hits, which was not my idea of fun. But I rather like the combat in Oblvion - left click to hit, right click to block. It's very like Mount and Blade, and - I know this is heresy in this forum - I confess that in some ways I now prefer Oblivion's melee. It seems less all about getting your hit in first and less hectic. I still prefer Mount and Blade's archery (more point and shoot - Oblivion does weird things with inclines). Obviously mounted combat is better in Mount and Blade, as there isn't any in Oblivion, but then I'm useless at mounted combat in M&B, so I don't miss much. The scaling means that the combat is generally appropriately challenging, but you should survive. Some may find that unchallenging or boring but I found it ok.

As to the story, I confess I did not find any in Morrowind. Apparently, it was all in books and stuff. Or maybe the half-naked guy was going to tell me sooner or later. But I gave up before it got going. Oblivion has a much more engaging premise - gates of hell opening - and the characters who give you quests are vastly more engaging. The sidequests are rather good, if individually slight. I found the main quest amazing when you close the first gate and liberate a city, but then it goes off the boil a little as these vast & non-linear kind of games do (e.g. BG, FO). I've temporarily lost motivation, so I can't say the story is great. But it is better.

[Lehesu]

What bothers me about auto-leveling is that you have no point of comparison for your own growth. Being able to kill everything around with a little effort should not be the case when you are low-level. Likewise, when you become an uber-warrior and can kill those tough enemies, the average joe-shmoe guys should not be magically getting tougher. They had this in Gladius and I hated it; your levels don't give you a huge advantage because they maintain parity with EVERYONE in the world. For me, that would really kill the realism.

[Somebody Else]

Hence some of these mods... For instance, the one I mentioned, a random highwayman will initially be a problem, later... not so. At the beginning if you wander into the woods - you might just stumble on something really nasty... that later would be worth fighting (rather than running away from). Of course, there's enough big beasties out there to keep you going for a very long way - the toughest creatures are level 40 or so, but you won't run across them too often (and there's a little bit of levelling of course - but only so that it's not insanely difficult).

[Rosacrux redux]

Bah, I like the leveling. It gives a more realistic feeling to the game - you don't become the most powerful being in the world in 40 days, you just finetune your srengths and augment them to become more and more effective against creatures/foes that do not become a breeze to take out with one strike.
Anyway, it's not that the random highwayman will be a huge problem when you are lvl 40, methinks... or so I assume, I haven't gone past lvl 5 yet, but isn't the lvl of several creatrues, troop types etc. capped at some point? So that you progress after that point but they don't?

[Somebody Else]

There are level-caps in the original yes, but they're a bit iffy - and equipment isn't really capped at all. I mean, just how many bandits would you expect to find fully kitted out in daedric or glass armour?

Plus (and I'm lifting fromt he mod description here pretty much). If the city guards are capable of going toe-to-toe to you at high levels... what exactly makes you the only person who can save the world?