Re: Has the U.S. Been Engaged in Systemic Torture?
It's true, I meant "systemic" in the sense of affecting an entire system. Immediately after posting, I realized it wasn't really the right word, but I left it alone, since I've never figured out how to edit the title of a thread after posting.
Later on I realized someone might think I mis-typed "systematic," which only added to my agony. Oh, the shame of selecting a not-quite-right word for a title.
Re: Has the U.S. Been Engaged in Systemic Torture?
Im sure they have, yet I dont care. Right or wrong, its still American.
Toture is present, but it in no ways affects our entire system.
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Re: Has the U.S. Been Engaged in Systemic Torture?
"Affecting an entire system"-no.
Disturbingly present? Yes.
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Re: Has the U.S. Been Engaged in Systemic Torture?
Here is my opinion.
NO.
I think the US needs to better control the press, becuase the media eventually snowballs things to hell.
I don't believe its systematic, more like sporadic with some of the ones torturing prisoners going a bit over the top.
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Re: Has the U.S. Been Engaged in Systemic Torture?
Exactly,Originally Posted by faisal
The media moves on its own accord with no regard for its country. Like I said before, Right or wrong, its still America.
Last edited by John86; 05-07-2006 at 18:04.
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Re: Has the U.S. Been Engaged in Systemic Torture?
Or should it be: "The posters move on their own accord with no regard for the original posters intention?"The media moves on its own accord with no regard for its country.
If you don't get it, read Lemur's last post again or for the first time.
Re: Has the U.S. Been Engaged in Systemic Torture?
No... It had relevance. It was stating that the media can turn a seemingly small event into a huge problem, such as a act of toture, to attempt to lessen the credibilty of the governemnt, and boost their own ratings.
Last edited by John86; 05-07-2006 at 18:08.
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Re: Has the U.S. Been Engaged in Systemic Torture?
Not exactly. There's a SYSTEM of regulations and narrow interpretations of signed treaties that ALLOW torture. Of course is of the interpretation of some that this is not torture, so it will be a normal legal system, instead of one wich allows torture. Another thing, if knowing that there's a clear treaty that you signed stating what is or what is not torture and then you interprete this text or create new law in the contrary sense, then your creating an space for the systematic use of torture.
Last edited by Soulforged; 05-07-2006 at 20:21.
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Re: Has the U.S. Been Engaged in Systemic Torture?
I would need dozens of well documented cases to consider it a problem.
What is the current tally of confirmed investigated well documented cases according to the US military ?
Is it over 800 yet ?
I havn't looked recently , but it was approaching 700 last time I did and had been climbing steadily the more they investigated it .
So Tex , as that isn't just a media figure , do you consider it a problem yet ?
Re: Has the U.S. Been Engaged in Systemic Torture?
Sure there's probably been some cases were soldiers have brutalized some prisoners, that always happens in war to any country. But no its not systematic. Though I hardly care either way, as most of these organizations complaining consider yelling at someone torcher.
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Re: Has the U.S. Been Engaged in Systemic Torture?
Yes! the USA is torturing the poor people who defend their nation, The american mercs are cutting the freedom fighter's hands off! Sense I am a yankee I Decided to find the nearest a-rab I could and beat him, hook a car battery up to his scrotum and cut one of his toes off every hour!Time to go steal some oil!....after I feed his hands to the dogs while he watches!
In all seriousness, I dont think torture is in much(official) use by the USA. Unless you count sleep deprivation and other interrogation techniques of that nature. But we can't control what every guard does when no one is watching.
Last edited by scooter_the_shooter; 05-07-2006 at 21:16.
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Re: Has the U.S. Been Engaged in Systemic Torture?
yes, the question is just how widespread it is, and how cruel it ireally gets.
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Re: Has the U.S. Been Engaged in Systemic Torture?
When someone in the administration tries to define orgn failure as where torture starts something must be up - why else so insanely severe?
Then we move on to the murkier USA-isn't-doing-it-but-allies-are. Is that OK? Giving to an organisation possibly USA backed, but seperate from the USA.
How people can be so dismissibe of sensory deprivation amazes me. Do they have no idea what it must be like?
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Re: Has the U.S. Been Engaged in Systemic Torture?
In all seriousness, I dont think torture is in much(official) use by the USA. Unless you count sleep deprivation and other interrogation techniques of that nature.
Thats the thing Ceasar , the US government does count it as such , when other countries do it .
So if they think it is when others do it then it also must be when they do it .
No two ways about it , if something is wrong it is wrong , it can not only be wrong when it is someone else doing it .
Sense I am a yankee I Decided to find the nearest a-rab I could and beat him, hook a car battery up to his scrotum and cut one of his toes off every hour!
Ummmm , that was a little bit embarrasing when the good ol' patriotic yankee got caught running his own torture chamber in Afghanistan wasn't it .
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