Religious Discussion

[Zain]

Hello, some of you may remember me as the starter of the old threads "The Creation of the Universe" and "What is your Relgion: Part II". Well, I'd like to restart these discussions, but on more friendly terms. Also, more in general talk, instead of induvidual belief questions.

I plan on starting new topics in this thread as discussions desinigrate, but right now; Could anyone really and truly discord the Christian Bible? If so, please tell, and I'll see if I can answer questions or whatnot.

-ZainDustin

[Zain]

Hmmm.... anyone?



-ZainDustin

[Redleg]

Just wait someone will bite into the subject.

I expect the usual path to occur however...

Believers will believe in the teachings and the message of Christ. Those who don't believe will attempt to ridicule those who believe.

[Zain]

I knew that would happen, because it always happens.

But, I like their questions, and answering them.

-ZainDustin

[Quietus]

I knew that would happen, because it always happens.

But, I like their questions, and answering them.

-ZainDustin

For starters, you can take the Leprechaun Test, Zain. :)

[Joker85]

For starters, you can take the Leprechaun Test, Zain. :)

[Csargo]

Thats quite a broad topic Zain I dont feel like it.

[Lemur]

As they say in The Princess Bride, "I don't think that word means what you think it means ..."

[Quietus]

I saw the Leprechaun clip. I don't want to say anything to influence the Leprechaun test...

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

As they say in The Princess Bride

What a good movie.

[Papewaio]

I plan on starting new topics in this thread as discussions desinigrate, but right now; Could anyone really and truly discord the Christian Bible? If so, please tell, and I'll see if I can answer questions or whatnot.

-ZainDustin

Which system of measurement do you wish to use?

Empirical, Logic, Science, Maths, Religious thought all excel at revealing things about the human condition but in different areas... so how would you like the Bible to be judged?

[Redleg]

Which system of measurement do you wish to use?

Empirical, Logic, Science, Maths, Religious thought all excel at revealing things about the human condition but in different areas... so how would you like the Bible to be judged?

I hold that the Bible can be judged from two standpoints. A text of history and religion, (Old Testiment) and as a religious text (New Testiment).

[Byzantine Mercenary]

interesting premise for a thread, there are already a few religious disscussions goin on right now though (though they are on different topics):

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...t=64421&page=3

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...86#post1138186

[Ja'chyra]

I expect the usual path to occur however...

Believers will believe in the teachings and the message of Christ. Those who don't believe will attempt to ridicule those who believe.

Or believers will believe in the teachings and the message of Christ, those who don't wont. At which point BOTH sides will ridicule each others standpoint, with only a few posters, on either side, making reasonable comments.

Yours was just a bit slanted Red

I hold that the Bible can be judged from two standpoints. A text of history and religion, (Old Testiment) and as a religious text (New Testiment).

Or, and this is not meant as ridicule, as a work of fiction from many(?) dubious authors.

[Redleg]

Or, and this is not meant as ridicule, as a work of fiction from many(?) dubious authors.

add historcial before fiction and I might even agree on the logicial aspect of that type of statement.


Of course my first comment was slanted - kind of like your statement about fiction was slanted also,,,LOL

[Zain]

Alright, I'm here. What's the Leprechaun test?

Interpret it any way you like, I just want someone to actually think they can discord the bible.

So I can tell them otherwise.

-ZainDustin

[Zain]

Thats quite a broad topic Zain I dont feel like it.

If someone is not the Christian, then they have made a decision to deny it. That means that they found something that they didn't like in it, so any non-christian, if they know what they're doing, should be able to discord the bible the way they see fit. If not, they're making a decision according to nothing.



-ZainDustin

[Ja'chyra]

Not quite as much though as I didn't try to favour one side over the other only show another way the bible could be judged, I should've added historical though, my bad.

[Kralizec]

Shouldn't it be discard?

[Ja'chyra]

If someone is not the Christian, then they have made a decision to deny it. That menas that they found something that they didn't like in it, so any non-christian, if they know what they're doing, should be able to discord the bible the way they see fit. If not, they're making a decision according to nothing.



-ZainDustin

Not any more than deciding not to live your life by any book be it the Bible or Harry Potter

[econ21]

Could anyone really and truly discord the Christian Bible?

It might help if you explained what you mean here. I don't understand your use of the word "discord". Do you mean could anyone really and truly disagree with the Christian Bible? If that is what you mean, it is not clear that is a good starting point for a religious discussion with non-Christians. It seems to imply rather condescendingly that the billions of non-Christians don't really believe what they say they believe or are otherwise being untrue to themselves.

For what it is worth, as an aetheist, I admire much of the sentiment in the Bible (love, lawfulness, humility, charity, respect for one's fellow man, etc). It's just when I open almost any page of the Old Testament at random, I seem to find something I find morally abhorrent. The New Testament story is very powerful at an emotional level, but it is hard to find a less plausible description of supposedly real events (virgin births, miracles, resurrections etc).

[yesdachi]

Perhaps we should let something like this decide the fate of the bible.

[Zain]

Haha, that wouldn't work too well yesdachi.

Um... I apoligize if my wording is hard to understand. Simply I'm asking people to explain why they don't believe in the bible in a way of proving it wrong. It wasn't meant to be confusing, but I guess my lack of English class experience is hurting me.

Anyway, another thing I saw. Harry Potter and the Bible are completely different, because Christianity exists, but Harry Potterism or whatever does not. It would be different if Harry Potter was a bible in itself, because then it would be a legible candidate for a religion. But it's not.

-ZainDustin

[Marcellus]

Never mind - I misunderstood the question.

[Zain]

Why don't you start your own thread Marcellus. I'm not going to change the question. And plus, I know unbelievers have heard the word of God, and it's their choice to make the decision or not. That's why I want people to explain why they don't accept it. Because I know they've already been told and witnessed to.

-ZainDustin

[Marcellus]

Evidentally I misunderstood the question. Sorry.

[Zain]

No Problem. It's cool bro.

-ZainDustin

[Bar Kochba]

this thread just reminede me of a joke

I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said "Stop! Don't do it!" "Why shouldn't I?" he said. "Well, there's so much to live for!"
"Like what?"
"Well... are you religious?" He said yes.
I said, "Me too! Are you Christian or Buddhist?"
"Christian."
"Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant ?
"Protestant."
"Me too! Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?"
"Baptist"
"Wow! Me too! Are you Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord?"
"Baptist Church of God!"
"Me too! Are you original Baptist Church of God, or are you reformed Baptist Church of God?"
"Reformed Baptist Church of God!"
"Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915?"
He said, "Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915!"
I said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off.


dunno y

[Zain]

Lol, that's a funny joke, but I'm afraid that's too long for me to be able to remember.

-ZainDustin

[Kagemusha]

I just toss in my general wiew.I think that matters of faith should be evalueted as matter of faith.If a person chooses to believe on something he or she has the right to do so. Who are we others to judge what invidual wants to believe in. When we talk about faith we talk about sets of beliefs that necessarily have details that can be denied by science. But if you read religious texts from a wiew of a believer,they offer you values.I dont think that any profet of any religion was there to tell history to rest of us,but what they tryed to do was to offer us a healthy set of values in their belief.Ofcourse in most cases the original ideas of the holy men in different religions were twisted to something completely different,that the person originally ment. But i think that the basic idea should be when we are talking about religions is that while there are different dogmas on different religions, in the end a religion is mostly just one persons personal beliefs.And beliefs can be irrational to others many times like we so often see in for example political conversations,where the opposing party makes absolutely no sense what so ever.