Rtr 7.0... (moved from EB forum)

[Dayve]

Seems to have trumped EB... Especially in terms of scripting, which i thought EB was the king of... And the new map is beautiful... Does EB have something up their sleeve for the final beta version? I hope so... Because i think i'm in love with RTR 7.0... And this makes me feel dirty after hating RTR and pledging unoficial allegiance to EB for so long...

[stalin]

Then you better wash yourself young man...
Is it out already?

[O'ETAIPOS]

What great scripts they have that we do not have?

There are about 50 new units that will probably be in next version. Some of them will be prewieved soon...

[edyzmedieval]

Prepare for EB 1.0. It will rock everything.

[stalin]

And when might that be Sir?

[O'ETAIPOS]

If 1.5 hadnt included ability to click on unit in barracks info (what is conflicting with building requirements in our recruitment system resulting in CTD) then I would say soon now I could say when it's done

[tk-421]

Seems to have trumped EB... Especially in terms of scripting, which i thought EB was the king of... And the new map is beautiful... Does EB have something up their sleeve for the final beta version? I hope so... Because i think i'm in love with RTR 7.0... And this makes me feel dirty after hating RTR and pledging unoficial allegiance to EB for so long...

I don't at all see how they've trumped EB. I'm sure that RTR will be a great mod, probably better than the current version of EB. EB, though, is only in version 0.74 and is a long way from being finished. I am certain that EB will be every bit as good and probably better than RTR when it is more complete.

I do like RTR's map a lot except that it seems to cut off an awful lot of steppe lands.

[Dayve]

What great scripts they have that we do not have?

There are about 50 new units that will probably be in next version. Some of them will be prewieved soon...

Well... Historical figures are going to appear such as Marius, Caesar and Hannibal, rebellions are going to happen as they did historically and there are 30-odd playable factions...

But the campaign map is so beautiful... It's tilted which has allowed them to make it bigger and put more useful parts of the map in...

[stalin]

If 1.5 hadnt included ability to click on unit in barracks info (what is conflicting with building requirements in our recruitment system resulting in CTD) then I would say soon now I could say when it's done

Heh, revenge of the MIC...

[Forgus]

What great scripts they have that we do not have?

There are about 50 new units that will probably be in next version. Some of them will be prewieved soon...

I think closer to 100. It would be interesting to couunt.

[Forgus]

Well... Historical figures are going to appear such as Marius, Caesar and Hannibal, rebellions are going to happen as they did historically and there are 30-odd playable factions...

But the campaign map is so beautiful... It's tilted which has allowed them to make it bigger and put more useful parts of the map in...

We have a different approach. We don't wan't to replay history. We want a possibilty to change it within rational and accurate way. Who is important Marius or his reforms? His reforms? Then why stick to Marius? Why not make triggers and set the reforms dyynamic? 30-odd playable factions? Would be nice, but I don't think that they could be represented in such detail that is EB standard. Much of our traits, ancillaries or scripts rely on inter factional relationships. For example If the secondary faction would be Pergamon (wich I presonally would like to play), then your generals could not participate at the olimpics, could not be allied to other factions, could not have a whole set of faction specific skins (or do you think they will have like 10-12 vaiations for the Akontistai, of Peltasts). Of course you can script that the faction specific stuff would work too, but it wouldn't work for us, on some places we are already streching the limits.
I'm glad that people like RTR 7.0 good luck for them, but EB is about detail, background, realism to micro level and huge depth.

[khelvan]

Well... Historical figures are going to appear such as Marius, Caesar and Hannibal, rebellions are going to happen as they did historically and there are 30-odd playable factions...

None of which makes sense for us. Such ideas were considered and rejected.

[Dayve]

We have a different approach. We don't wan't to replay history. We want a possibilty to change it within rational and accurate way. Who is important Marius or his reforms? His reforms? Then why stick to Marius? Why not make triggers and set the reforms dyynamic? 30-odd playable factions? Would be nice, but I don't think that they could be represented in such detail that is EB standard. Much of our traits, ancillaries or scripts rely on inter factional relationships. For example If the secondary faction would be Pergamon (wich I presonally would like to play), then your generals could not participate at the olimpics, could not be allied to other factions, could not have a whole set of faction specific skins (or do you think they will have like 10-12 vaiations for the Akontistai, of Peltasts). Of course you can script that the faction specific stuff would work too, but it wouldn't work for us, on some places we are already streching the limits.
I'm glad that people like RTR 7.0 good luck for them, but EB is about detail, background, realism to micro level and huge depth.

You're right... I don't know what i was thinking... I'm just hysterical... Slap me...

LONG LIVE EB!

I'll be installing RTR 7 though too.

[stalin]

RTR 6.0 looked great but playing it sucked big time (too many provinces=seiges, easier than vanilla, one had to adapt all sort of strange House rules so it would be a challenge). I sure hope they do better this time

[Dayve]

That's true stalin... I remember sitting up all night waiting for its release being all excited... Then when it came out it was good... I enjoyed it... But i realise it was mostly just the nice unit skins i enjoyed... And once that wore off i started to notice things wrong with it...

Like how, when playing as Rome, i was rich on turn 3 because of the low recruitment/upkeep costs, could afford 2 full legions despite owning only 3 cities, and be able to build something in those 3 cities everytime a previous building was completed... After turn 3 you've basically won already as you can just steamroll.

[Meothar]

Because I really don't think EB 1.0 will be out before Summer 2007 and RTR 7.0 will (only my estimation), EB is out of the competition for the best mod for me. So I will play RTR 7 until the first good Medieval 2 mods are out.

[O'ETAIPOS]

by the way scripting apperance of general with army is a piece of cake in terms of coding compared to some scripts that I saw working for 1.2 version and i hope will be ported soon...

[Wardo]

EB's traits and ancilliaries is where it's at for me.

I am speechless, I cannot find the words to express all the moments of fun, joy, happiness, that I had because my game was deep, my characters were alive, not just a Morale-bonus-heavy-cavalry auxiliary unit, they are real, living characters.

Love it. I'd need too much time to praise the entire system, and I prefer to play EB right now instead of talking to the wall.

If RTR7.0 isn't nearly as deep and fun to RPG like EB is (I've never had internal loyalty struggles and political backstage fights for power before, maybe except in MTW), then nice skins and a cute map won't cut it.

Playing it might be a good experience to remember why EB is so attractive.

[Baldwin of Jerusalem]

EB's traits and ancilliaries is where it's at for me.

I am speechless, I cannot find the words to express all the moments of fun, joy, happiness, that I had because my game was deep, my characters were alive, not just a Morale-bonus-heavy-cavalry auxiliary unit, they are real, living characters.

Love it. I'd need too much time to praise the entire system, and I prefer to play EB right now instead of talking to the wall.

If RTR7.0 isn't nearly as deep and fun to RPG like EB is (I've never had internal loyalty struggles and political backstage fights for power before, maybe except in MTW), then nice skins and a cute map won't cut it.

Playing it might be a good experience to remember why EB is so attractive.

Not yet it isnt but I think thats what they're planning. I personally think that they've bitten off quite a lot and it will be interesting to see if they can pull it off. I personally dont know which I prefer. I like EB's atmosphere and its more difficult. The map looks great(if showing a little too much of Africa) and I like the skins, especially the Celtic ones. Theyve really nailed the look of the Celts. The only way RTR beats it at the moment is with the Roman faction. RTR's Roman skins are a thing of beauty, they really are and Marcus Camillus has done a great Roman promotions mod which enhances them considerably.

EB badly needs to go to 1.5 though. Units on the battlefield look immeasurably better on 1.5

[Asean]

And when might that be Sir?

2 years.... .... j/k....

[Dayve]

I think RTR will probably copy what EB has done with traits... Don't be fooled by this talk of EB and RTR being allies... It's war... I've been to their forums and the people there hate the people here...

If i was you EB, i would have kept the whole of your new traits idea a secret until a release after RTR 7 is released... Or you might find 7.0 has all of Malrubius' traits... A bit like when Sony announced the gyroscopic joypad at E3 this week... Clearly it is a quickly put together rip off of Nintendo's Wii system...

[edyzmedieval]

Because I really don't think EB 1.0 will be out before Summer 2007 and RTR 7.0 will (only my estimation), EB is out of the competition for the best mod for me. So I will play RTR 7 until the first good Medieval 2 mods are out.

Summer 2007?

I think RTR will probably copy what EB has done with traits... Don't be fooled by this talk of EB and RTR being allies... It's war... I've been to their forums and the people there hate the people here...

If i was you EB, i would have kept the whole of your new traits idea a secret until a release after RTR 7 is released... Or you might find 7.0 has all of Malrubius' traits... A bit like when Sony announced the gyroscopic joypad at E3 this week... Clearly it is a quickly put together rip off of Nintendo's Wii system...

That's very true. It's not hard to interpret the diplomacy between the 2 teams. Plus, I even have conflicts with my fellow Romanians over which is the best mod. I am the EB Master, they are RTR Developers(2 of them).

I hope EB will be good enough to keep their secrets away from prying eyes.

[Dayve]

Me too... In fact, as much as it'll suck, i'd advise EB to keep everything else they have planned that already hasn't been announced a secret... All new traits that haven't yet been implemented a secret and don't release them until after RTR 7.0 has been released...

[Geoffrey S]

Don't take it all so seriously, Dayve. Just chose which you prefer, and please try not to paint RTR and their fans rabid monsters and the coders as cheap hacks. It doesn't help EB, and only makes you look extremely childish.

[Mithradates]

Imagine if EB and RTR joined they could rule the Galaxy! Muwhahaha.

[stalin]

Then we would only have one mod to bitch about
funny thing: if you google "rome total realism" you get the fake site as first hit

[Teleklos Archelaou]

I'm not personally aware of any "big secrets" that EB has other than who the two factions will be. They will be in varying states of readiness in the next build too - we have had a late start on them after all. There's just a lot more content though, more units, more factions, more loading screens, more fixes, more descriptions, more culture groupings, more etc. We have been able to make a lot of advances, but primarily the mod isn't about neat tricks in handling things, it's about content being poured in constantly - material that gives you tons of choices in recruiting, in differences between factions, in learning about the people (biographies, etc.), ethnicities, cities, units, buildings, etc. No one else in realism mods or any other total conversion for other periods can dream of touching us in that regard (my opinion).

[Imperator]

This is a strange thread...first it's a "RTR 7 pwns EB" thread, now it's a "RTR is copying EB but still getting pwned" thread. I think both kinds of threads ought not be allowed. I played BOTH RTR and EB (I have 1.5 now and am desperately waiting for one, or both, mods to be completed, or at least ported to 1.5) and I look forward to the release of both mods. RTR has less depth, it's true, and EB has a MUCH better grasp on the Barbarians (not surprising, looking at it's name ) as well as being harder. On the other hand, RTR has better skins (IMHO) and smoother gameplay (less CTD's, and not so many wierd languages and complicated traits) and a nicer map (6.0 and 7.0). It really depends what mood I'm in and what kind of game I feel like.

Sometimes I get frustrated with people who think it's one or the other. BOTH mods are good in different ways, and I don't see why everyone can't play the two, have a favorite, and be respectful of all mods and modders work. All that said, I have to admit, I still like RTR better

[stalin]

Xbox360 pwns PS3
Human nature
Might as well forbid discussing other mods here then if you don't want the one defined in terms of the other

[Radier]

"[...]learning about the people (biographies, etc.), ethnicities, cities, units, buildings, etc."

These aspects are the best and most important about EB in my eyes. Keep on pushing these forward so we can learn more history.

Don't ever quit being the most unique and historical correct mod! I learn more playing EB than going to history-classes, really.