197 BC still no reforms

**Coldfish** · 05-16-2006, 20:06

Playing Julii RTW 1.5 reaching 197 BC and still no Marius reforms...im holding all Italy ,spain and Gaul....ive build in Rome all the buildings in the construction tab...the population is 37.000 ! what is happening ?

Is any posibility to mod so can trigger the marius reforms earlyer ?thanks!

I saw a guy here that get marius reforms in 250 BC ! how come

**Drusus Magnus** · 05-16-2006, 20:43

Patience, young grasshopper. I for one think the Reforms occur much too soon, e.g. whenever I build an Imperial Palace. And I think you can mod the date.

**Avicenna** · 05-16-2006, 21:21

Whenever there's an imperial palace outside of Rome, methinks. Rome should start off as an Imperial city..

**Ciaran** · 05-17-2006, 09:07

Rome actually starts with a Proconsuls Palace.

To trigger the reforms you need an Imperial Palace in one of the Italian provinces, I think descr_strat should show which those are, they have "Italy" as a resource. In 1.2 and probably earlier the reforms couldn´t happen before 220BC, but 1.3 (and consequently 1.5) did away with that.

**Quillan** · 05-17-2006, 15:00

You have to build an Imperial Palace in either Arretium, Ariminum, Capua, Tarentum, or Croton to trigger the reforms. It might also trigger in Mediolanum or Patavium, but I'm not certain about that. Since Rome usually hits the top tier status while it's still held by the Senate, that won't trigger the reform. You'll need to get it someplace else. Build a load of peasants at various cities, run them over to whichever of your homeland cities is the highest population and disband them. Do this until you get to 24K population and build the palace.

**Piko** · 05-17-2006, 17:42

195 bc is still almost 95 years too early...

**Coldfish** · 05-17-2006, 18:15

OK,solved,thanks alot guys

**Avicenna** · 05-17-2006, 18:53

@Quillan: you obviously haven't seen the Segesta Experiment thread have you? From the experiment, it's been shown that Segesta can trigger the Marian Reforms as well as the others that you have mentioned.

**Slug For A Butt** · 05-17-2006, 19:09

@Quillan, yes you are correct, Patavium is good for it too.

@Tiberius, I haven't seen "the Segesta experiment" either. But Quillan is quite right, and he has answered Coldfish's question nicely.

**Quillan** · 05-18-2006, 15:01

No, I haven't seen that thread. Honestly, I'd forgotten that Segesta even existed! It's such a puny province and it's been so long since I played Julii that it didn't even pop into my head when I was listing out the cities in Italy.

**player1** · 05-20-2006, 09:33

Originally Posted by Quillan

You have to build an Imperial Palace in either Arretium, Ariminum, Capua, Tarentum, or Croton to trigger the reforms. It might also trigger in Mediolanum or Patavium, but I'm not certain about that. Since Rome usually hits the top tier status while it's still held by the Senate, that won't trigger the reform. You'll need to get it someplace else. Build a load of peasants at various cities, run them over to whichever of your homeland cities is the highest population and disband them. Do this until you get to 24K population and build the palace.

Mediolanum or Patavium count too, as very as whole Sicily.