There are some nice ones...

[Alexanderofmacedon]

What a lovely person. I wish we could all be this nice. I have some negative views towards Christians (religions all together really), but this just shows that there are those who are truly angels.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Maryada Vallet is a devout evangelical Christian and believes the Bible calls her to walk through the infernally hot Arizona desert, offering aid to immigrants illegally crossing the Mexican border.

She and her colleagues give them food, wash their blistered feet and even carry the exhausted to medical facilities.

"I really believe that Jesus would be here with us if he were alive today," Vallet said.

Vallet is frustrated that many of her fellow evangelicals are supporting a bill that would make all immigrants felons and would make anyone who helps them criminals, too.

"We believe it's never a crime to stop and help someone on the side of the road," she said.

Many Hispanic evangelicals — a growing community — passionately agree. But many white evangelicals take a hard line.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1907816&page=1

And I don't want to hear any crap about this nice lady. I don't care if your rich *** didn't get a job these poor immagrants got. They need more money than you, I'm sure.

[Strike For The South]

she should be aressted.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

she should be aressted.

When you use proper spelling and punctuation, I may take you seriously. Until then, please refrain from adding comments such as this.

[Strike For The South]

You know man. You see this lady and these people and think she is an angel for helping for these poor and imporvished people. You know what these people are gonna be here? Poor and impovershied. See thats what happens when you dont speak english have no skills nor an education. The American education and health systems are losing billions the American middle class is getting raped. America already gives the most legal visas were not the drop off point for people. You may be swayed but I am not. I refuse to lose my culture my language my economy and my middle class. People are swayed by fickle emotions take a step and realize whats going on.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

You know man. You see this lady and these people and think she is an angel for helping for these poor and imporvished people. You know what these people are gonna be here? Poor and impovershied. See thats what happens when you dont speak english have no skills nor an education. The American education and health systems are losing billions the American middle class is getting raped. America already gives the most legal visas were not the drop off point for people. You may be swayed but I am not. I refuse to lose my culture my language my economy and my middle class. People are swayed by fickle emotions take a step and realize whats going on.

Lose your culture?:

You don't have to lose your culture. Why would you? Please, I'd like to know how these impovershed people will force you to lose your culture.

Lose your language?:

Unless you chose to learn spanish, and even then, I don't see how you could lose your language

Lose your economy?:

Well, this war you want to fight so badly is costing us more money than any poor immigrant.

First of all, I'd like to ask you. What do you propose to do? I'll be honest with you, I'm all for slowing down the rate at which illegals enter the country, but what do you want to do about it realistically?

Over eleven million illegals are in the United States at this moment. Look at it this way. When the hurricane was in bound for New Orleans, the government on the federal, state, and city level couldn't evacuate the amount of people they wanted to, and those are people with records.

How do you plan to move 11,000,000 people who don't have records? Now, I'll hope you were joking when you said she should be arrested. Legal or not, these are people. You and I are fine money wise. We're a lot better off than these poor souls, that's for sure. Have a bit of respect. Not because they are honorable people, but because they are people. You're the one who is blinded my friend. Blinded by greed.

(No personal attacks please - Beirut)

[Somebody Else]

Anyone else long for the day when we can abolish borders altogether?

[Strike For The South]

Lose your culture?:

You don't have to lose your culture. Why would you? Please, I'd like to know how these impovershed people will force you to lose your culture.

Lose your language?:

Unless you chose to learn spanish, and even then, I don't see how you could lose your language

Lose your economy?:

Well, this war you want to fight so badly is costing us more money than any poor immigrant.

First of all, I'd like to ask you. What do you propose to do? I'll be honest with you, I'm all for slowing down the rate at which illegals enter the country, but what do you want to do about it realistically?

Over eleven million illegals are in the United States at this moment. Look at it this way. When the hurricane was in bound for New Orleans, the government on the federal, state, and city level couldn't evacuate the amount of people they wanted to, and those are people with records.

How do you plan to move 11,000,000 people who don't have records? Now, I'll hope you were joking when you said she should be arrested, but there is no need to be a d*** towards a person. Legal or not, these are people. You and I are fine money wise. We're a lot better off than these poor souls, that's for sure. Have a bit of respect. Not because they are honorable people, but because they are people. You're the one who is blinded my friend. Blinded by greed.

You live in my city right? Have you been downtown lately? Every damn sign is in the spainish (The riverwalk dosent count its a tourist thing.) Not to mention the war has nothing to do with this. The war has nothing to do with illeglas sucking the education and health systems dry becuase of anchor babies. What do I propose to do? Make it a felony to be illegal harsh penalties. Burn to the ground any buisness that hire illegals and then imprison the Ceos for being greeding loving bastards so much so they would rape our middle class. With these the illegals will leave.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Lose your culture?:

You don't have to lose your culture. Why would you? Please, I'd like to know how these impovershed people will force you to lose your culture.

Lose your language?:

Unless you chose to learn spanish, and even then, I don't see how you could lose your language

Lose your economy?:

Well, this war you want to fight so badly is costing us more money than any poor immigrant.

First of all, I'd like to ask you. What do you propose to do? I'll be honest with you, I'm all for slowing down the rate at which illegals enter the country, but what do you want to do about it realistically?

Over eleven million illegals are in the United States at this moment. Look at it this way. When the hurricane was in bound for New Orleans, the government on the federal, state, and city level couldn't evacuate the amount of people they wanted to, and those are people with records.

How do you plan to move 11,000,000 people who don't have records? Now, I'll hope you were joking when you said she should be arrested, but there is no need to be a d*** towards a person. Legal or not, these are people. You and I are fine money wise. We're a lot better off than these poor souls, that's for sure. Have a bit of respect. Not because they are honorable people, but because they are people. You're the one who is blinded my friend. Blinded by greed.

Just because they are poor means my friend here is blinded by greed? It's not his fault Mexico is a poor country. And it's not his fault Mexicans in the US are poor. Nor is it his duty to make sure that they are well off. It is his duty to make sure that a better future for his posterity is around, and that his family is provided for as best he can.

Everyone speeks of the poor, downtrodden Mexican. What about the poor, downtrodden American? Who cares for them? I do not think we should provide for other country's poor until we have eradicated poverty from America altogether.

Get your priorities together. By increasing the amount of poor people in America, you increase poverty (duh), and therefore increase the amount of things the left has to whine about. Kick them out, less poor people, less whining (kinda).

11 million people isn't a vital part of our economy. It just saves Walmart money. And Walmart can [censored for good of humanity, and also so it is not in violation of the Geneva Convention and several UN Resolutions].

[Kaiser of Arabia]

What a lovely person. I wish we could all be this nice. I have some negative views towards Christians (religions all together really), but this just shows that there are those who are truly angels.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Maryada Vallet is a devout evangelical Christian and believes the Bible calls her to walk through the infernally hot Arizona desert, offering aid to immigrants illegally crossing the Mexican border.

She and her colleagues give them food, wash their blistered feet and even carry the exhausted to medical facilities.

"I really believe that Jesus would be here with us if he were alive today," Vallet said.

Vallet is frustrated that many of her fellow evangelicals are supporting a bill that would make all immigrants felons and would make anyone who helps them criminals, too.

"We believe it's never a crime to stop and help someone on the side of the road," she said.

Many Hispanic evangelicals — a growing community — passionately agree. But many white evangelicals take a hard line.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1907816&page=1

And I don't want to hear any crap about this nice lady. I don't care if your rich *** didn't get a job these poor immagrants got. They need more money than you, I'm sure.

They have money in Mexico. Hell, they print American money in North Korea, and I'm sure Kimmy wouldn't mind them!

Sorry that was all too random. I'm very hyper, I had 5 cups of coffee this morning.

[Prodigal]

They need more money than you

Errrr...Maybe you shouldn't knock people for their spelling.

[Moros]

It's funny that it can be illegal to live in the so called country of freedom.

Panzer, I wander what you would do when you were poor, trying to survive and trying to get a better live or would you just keep being poor, watch you children /family suffer, not wishing for a better life. OFcourse you'd want to stay poor woudln't you? Ofcourse you wouldn't wish for a better life. Ofcourse you would hate it if people helped you. Everybody hates kind people, no?

[Divinus Arma]

Would you be so kind as to properly label your thread titles so we know what the hell is actually being discussed? Nice ones? Tits? Cars? Kittens? Golf clubs? Come on, you.

As for the discussion, the United States cannot support a massive importation of global poverty without sustaining long-term economic damage. The uneducated unskilled baby-dropping millions consume far more in public resources than they contribute.

I feel for these people. And I would do the same thing. But just because they are next to us does not entitle them to our country's resources anymore than the Congo or Ethiopia should be entitled to come into this country by the millions.

The United States can provide the greatest benefit to the world by remaining economically powerful. Destroy the American economy and you will destory the world ecopnomy.

[Sjakihata]

Would you be so kind as to properly label your thread titles so we know what the hell is actually being discussed? Nice ones? Tits? Cars? Kittens? Golf clubs? Come on, you.

Yes, I thought too at first the thread was about tits - I got disappointed...

[Reverend Joe]

Yes, I thought too at first the thread was about tits - I got disappointed...

So did I. Great minds think alike.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

Would you be so kind as to properly label your thread titles so we know what the hell is actually being discussed? Nice ones? Tits? Cars? Kittens? Golf clubs? Come on, you.

As for the discussion, the United States cannot support a massive importation of global poverty without sustaining long-term economic damage. The uneducated unskilled baby-dropping millions consume far more in public resources than they contribute.

I feel for these people. And I would do the same thing. But just because they are next to us does not entitle them to our country's resources anymore than the Congo or Ethiopia should be entitled to come into this country by the millions.

The United States can provide the greatest benefit to the world by remaining economically powerful. Destroy the American economy and you will destory the world ecopnomy.

It just brings you into the thread.

[yesdachi]

I had originally thought you were being sarcastic but after reading further along in the thread you are serious. You seriously think she is doing good and you seriously think allowing the illegals to remain is ok. I can’t think of a bigger mistake the US could make. Invading Iraq was a plan of genius compared to allowing the nearly 20 million (this is a more accurate number than your 11) illegal immigrants (which would quickly turn into 200 million, via bring your family along immigration rules and new births over the course of just a few years, if they were granted some kind of amnesty) to stay.

The US can not take on a burden of such magnitude without collapsing. And why would we want to? To be nice? Pffffftt not me, I’m having a hard enough time paying my own bills and securing my families future. A future that I have been working on for over 30 years. No one should be able to hop a fence or swim a river or cross a dry rocky piece of land and be given all the things I have been busting my butt for. There are no free rides on this bus, baby, and I don’t see many illegals with a token, actually my bus isn’t free AND it doesn’t have any vacancy’s either, unless you go thru the proper immigration channels. I don’t feel any compulsion to offer them any assistance at all. IMO, if they want more they should be storming the gates to Fox’s house rather than storming across our boarder.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

I had originally thought you were being sarcastic but after reading further along in the thread you are serious. You seriously think she is doing good and you seriously think allowing the illegals to remain is ok. I can’t think of a bigger mistake the US could make. Invading Iraq was a plan of genius compared to allowing the nearly 20 million (this is a more accurate number than your 11) illegal immigrants (which would quickly turn into 200 million, via bring your family along immigration rules and new births over the course of just a few years, if they were granted some kind of amnesty) to stay.

The US can not take on a burden of such magnitude without collapsing. And why would we want to? To be nice? Pffffftt not me, I’m having a hard enough time paying my own bills and securing my families future. A future that I have been working on for over 30 years. No one should be able to hop a fence or swim a river or cross a dry rocky piece of land and be given all the things I have been busting my butt for. There are no free rides on this bus, baby, and I don’t see many illegals with a token, actually my bus isn’t free AND it doesn’t have any vacancy’s either, unless you go thru the proper immigration channels. I don’t feel any compulsion to offer them any assistance at all. IMO, if they want more they should be storming the gates to Fox’s house rather than storming across our boarder.

I'm not saying we should allow them to stay. I think, A) People are making too big a deal of it, and B) People are unrealistically thinking we can take all these illegals out of here. It's too big a task, we need to find a temporary solution. I don't know what that is, but it's not my job. Give me a link that states it's about 20 million instead of 11.

[scooter_the_shooter]

I'm not saying we should allow them to stay. I think, A) People are making too big a deal of it, and B) People are unrealistically thinking we can take all these illegals out of here. It's too big a task, we need to find a temporary solution. I don't know what that is, but it's not my job. Give me a link that states it's about 20 million instead of 11.

We don't need to get rid of all of them just most of them take their stuff too, send them back with just the clothes on their backs and a meal. I know it is brutal and cruel; but it is better for the crountry in the long run.

[Papewaio]

Even if the US made all 20 million illegal immigrants legal it would still mean that the US has a foreign born population percentage of less then 20%.

298,444,215 (source CIA Factbook)
Foreign born population 10.4% (source NationMaster)
20,000,000 would add another 6.7% to the foreign born population.

So you would have a total foreign born population percentage of 17.1%

Canada has a foreign born population of 17.4%.

Australia has a foreign born population of 23%, a health care system for all, a government surplus... and as for trade we have a trade surplus with the Chinese, export camels to Saudi Arabia, export rice to South East Asia and export Vodka to Russia...

In short I don't think the American economy would collapse if it took on a larger amount of immigrants.

However any country has the right to decide whom they will let in to become a tourist, resident or citizen.

[yesdachi]

I'm not saying we should allow them to stay. I think, A) People are making too big a deal of it, and B) People are unrealistically thinking we can take all these illegals out of here. It's too big a task, we need to find a temporary solution. I don't know what that is, but it's not my job. Give me a link that states it's about 20 million instead of 11.

Most sources claim between 11 and 20 million, I choose to prepare for the worst and be pleasantly surprised if we ever find out that the numbers are better.

The Wall Street investment firm Bear Stearns has published a new report, “The Underground Labor Force is Rising to the Surface,” which claims that the illegal alien population is double the official government estimates. According to Bear Stearns analysts, Robert Justich and Betty Ng, the illegal alien population of the U.S. is about 20 million—roughly the population of New York State.

links: 1 2 3 4

The 20 million number isn’t even the biggest issue, it’s the fact that if they are given any kind of “legal” status they are then able to bring in family who can stay here while going thru the process of becoming a citizen. Say each illegal brought in/sponsored a parent, spouse, child and a sibling. Then the spouse brought in a parent, the sibling brought in a spouse and child, etc. Even if the number is 11 million, in 5 years its going to be over a hundred million, how’s that going to effect the economy?

[Incongruous]

I have some negative views towards Christians

You now what man...
(Edited by Ser Clegane - please refrain from making such personal attacks) So I guess the kids who go round being dicks allday and wagging class who are of a certain race should be able to get all the freebees later on while I work my ass off. Ha and while being a Christian at the same time. So I guess to you I'm as bad as they come A
WHITE
MIDDLE CLASS
ROMAN CATHOLIC
WHO DOES WELL AT SCHOOL

CRAP I SHOULD JUST IMPRISON MYSELF NOW HUH?

[PanzerJaeger]

CRAP I SHOULD JUST IMPRISON MYSELF NOW HUH?

No, you should seek to imprison those whites and minorities who are trying to destroy the great society white, middle class Christians have created in this country.

Stand up for yourself.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

You now what man...
(Edited by Ser Clegane - please refrain from making such personal attacks) So I guess the kids who go round being dicks allday and wagging class who are of a certain race should be able to get all the freebees later on while I work my ass off. Ha and while being a Christian at the same time. So I guess to you I'm as bad as they come A
WHITE
MIDDLE CLASS
ROMAN CATHOLIC
WHO DOES WELL AT SCHOOL

CRAP I SHOULD JUST IMPRISON MYSELF NOW HUH?

I don't really like any religions (you should read the entire post before making personal attacks).

Not to mention, I'm praising someone of your faith. Don't say anything about dicks, if you are going to make those kinds of posts.