There are some nice ones...

[Alexanderofmacedon]

What a lovely person. I wish we could all be this nice. I have some negative views towards Christians (religions all together really), but this just shows that there are those who are truly angels.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Maryada Vallet is a devout evangelical Christian and believes the Bible calls her to walk through the infernally hot Arizona desert, offering aid to immigrants illegally crossing the Mexican border.

She and her colleagues give them food, wash their blistered feet and even carry the exhausted to medical facilities.

"I really believe that Jesus would be here with us if he were alive today," Vallet said.

Vallet is frustrated that many of her fellow evangelicals are supporting a bill that would make all immigrants felons and would make anyone who helps them criminals, too.

"We believe it's never a crime to stop and help someone on the side of the road," she said.

Many Hispanic evangelicals — a growing community — passionately agree. But many white evangelicals take a hard line.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1907816&page=1

And I don't want to hear any crap about this nice lady. I don't care if your rich *** didn't get a job these poor immagrants got. They need more money than you, I'm sure.

[Strike For The South]

she should be aressted.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

she should be aressted.

When you use proper spelling and punctuation, I may take you seriously. Until then, please refrain from adding comments such as this.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

What a lovely person. I wish we could all be this nice. I have some negative views towards Christians (religions all together really), but this just shows that there are those who are truly angels.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Maryada Vallet is a devout evangelical Christian and believes the Bible calls her to walk through the infernally hot Arizona desert, offering aid to immigrants illegally crossing the Mexican border.

She and her colleagues give them food, wash their blistered feet and even carry the exhausted to medical facilities.

"I really believe that Jesus would be here with us if he were alive today," Vallet said.

Vallet is frustrated that many of her fellow evangelicals are supporting a bill that would make all immigrants felons and would make anyone who helps them criminals, too.

"We believe it's never a crime to stop and help someone on the side of the road," she said.

Many Hispanic evangelicals — a growing community — passionately agree. But many white evangelicals take a hard line.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1907816&page=1

And I don't want to hear any crap about this nice lady. I don't care if your rich *** didn't get a job these poor immagrants got. They need more money than you, I'm sure.

They have money in Mexico. Hell, they print American money in North Korea, and I'm sure Kimmy wouldn't mind them!

Sorry that was all too random. I'm very hyper, I had 5 cups of coffee this morning.

[Strike For The South]

You know man. You see this lady and these people and think she is an angel for helping for these poor and imporvished people. You know what these people are gonna be here? Poor and impovershied. See thats what happens when you dont speak english have no skills nor an education. The American education and health systems are losing billions the American middle class is getting raped. America already gives the most legal visas were not the drop off point for people. You may be swayed but I am not. I refuse to lose my culture my language my economy and my middle class. People are swayed by fickle emotions take a step and realize whats going on.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

You know man. You see this lady and these people and think she is an angel for helping for these poor and imporvished people. You know what these people are gonna be here? Poor and impovershied. See thats what happens when you dont speak english have no skills nor an education. The American education and health systems are losing billions the American middle class is getting raped. America already gives the most legal visas were not the drop off point for people. You may be swayed but I am not. I refuse to lose my culture my language my economy and my middle class. People are swayed by fickle emotions take a step and realize whats going on.

Lose your culture?:

You don't have to lose your culture. Why would you? Please, I'd like to know how these impovershed people will force you to lose your culture.

Lose your language?:

Unless you chose to learn spanish, and even then, I don't see how you could lose your language

Lose your economy?:

Well, this war you want to fight so badly is costing us more money than any poor immigrant.

First of all, I'd like to ask you. What do you propose to do? I'll be honest with you, I'm all for slowing down the rate at which illegals enter the country, but what do you want to do about it realistically?

Over eleven million illegals are in the United States at this moment. Look at it this way. When the hurricane was in bound for New Orleans, the government on the federal, state, and city level couldn't evacuate the amount of people they wanted to, and those are people with records.

How do you plan to move 11,000,000 people who don't have records? Now, I'll hope you were joking when you said she should be arrested. Legal or not, these are people. You and I are fine money wise. We're a lot better off than these poor souls, that's for sure. Have a bit of respect. Not because they are honorable people, but because they are people. You're the one who is blinded my friend. Blinded by greed.

(No personal attacks please - Beirut)

[Somebody Else]

Anyone else long for the day when we can abolish borders altogether?

[Strike For The South]

Lose your culture?:

You don't have to lose your culture. Why would you? Please, I'd like to know how these impovershed people will force you to lose your culture.

Lose your language?:

Unless you chose to learn spanish, and even then, I don't see how you could lose your language

Lose your economy?:

Well, this war you want to fight so badly is costing us more money than any poor immigrant.

First of all, I'd like to ask you. What do you propose to do? I'll be honest with you, I'm all for slowing down the rate at which illegals enter the country, but what do you want to do about it realistically?

Over eleven million illegals are in the United States at this moment. Look at it this way. When the hurricane was in bound for New Orleans, the government on the federal, state, and city level couldn't evacuate the amount of people they wanted to, and those are people with records.

How do you plan to move 11,000,000 people who don't have records? Now, I'll hope you were joking when you said she should be arrested, but there is no need to be a d*** towards a person. Legal or not, these are people. You and I are fine money wise. We're a lot better off than these poor souls, that's for sure. Have a bit of respect. Not because they are honorable people, but because they are people. You're the one who is blinded my friend. Blinded by greed.

You live in my city right? Have you been downtown lately? Every damn sign is in the spainish (The riverwalk dosent count its a tourist thing.) Not to mention the war has nothing to do with this. The war has nothing to do with illeglas sucking the education and health systems dry becuase of anchor babies. What do I propose to do? Make it a felony to be illegal harsh penalties. Burn to the ground any buisness that hire illegals and then imprison the Ceos for being greeding loving bastards so much so they would rape our middle class. With these the illegals will leave.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

You live in my city right? Have you been downtown lately? Every damn sign is in the spainish (The riverwalk dosent count its a tourist thing.) Not to mention the war has nothing to do with this. The war has nothing to do with illeglas sucking the education and health systems dry becuase of anchor babies. What do I propose to do? Make it a felony to be illegal harsh penalties. Burn to the ground any buisness that hire illegals and then imprison the Ceos for being greeding loving bastards so much so they would rape our middle class. With these the illegals will leave.

For one thing, I do think the war does have something to do with this. I'll keep that for an other day though. Personally, I did not notice the signs being in spanish, so I couldn't agree or disagree. In your response to what you will do, I'm glad you're rational enough to think about something other than the normal "send em all back" thought some morons have.

I don't think illegals will ever stop. No matter what you do, you can't catch them all and you will not stop them all. My two cents...


Somebody Else: At this point in time, that doesn't sound like a bad idea at all...

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Lose your culture?:

You don't have to lose your culture. Why would you? Please, I'd like to know how these impovershed people will force you to lose your culture.

Lose your language?:

Unless you chose to learn spanish, and even then, I don't see how you could lose your language

Lose your economy?:

Well, this war you want to fight so badly is costing us more money than any poor immigrant.

First of all, I'd like to ask you. What do you propose to do? I'll be honest with you, I'm all for slowing down the rate at which illegals enter the country, but what do you want to do about it realistically?

Over eleven million illegals are in the United States at this moment. Look at it this way. When the hurricane was in bound for New Orleans, the government on the federal, state, and city level couldn't evacuate the amount of people they wanted to, and those are people with records.

How do you plan to move 11,000,000 people who don't have records? Now, I'll hope you were joking when you said she should be arrested, but there is no need to be a d*** towards a person. Legal or not, these are people. You and I are fine money wise. We're a lot better off than these poor souls, that's for sure. Have a bit of respect. Not because they are honorable people, but because they are people. You're the one who is blinded my friend. Blinded by greed.

Just because they are poor means my friend here is blinded by greed? It's not his fault Mexico is a poor country. And it's not his fault Mexicans in the US are poor. Nor is it his duty to make sure that they are well off. It is his duty to make sure that a better future for his posterity is around, and that his family is provided for as best he can.

Everyone speeks of the poor, downtrodden Mexican. What about the poor, downtrodden American? Who cares for them? I do not think we should provide for other country's poor until we have eradicated poverty from America altogether.

Get your priorities together. By increasing the amount of poor people in America, you increase poverty (duh), and therefore increase the amount of things the left has to whine about. Kick them out, less poor people, less whining (kinda).

11 million people isn't a vital part of our economy. It just saves Walmart money. And Walmart can [censored for good of humanity, and also so it is not in violation of the Geneva Convention and several UN Resolutions].

[Ice]

Anyone else long for the day when we can abolish borders altogether?

No, not really.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

Just because they are poor means my friend here is blinded by greed? It's not his fault Mexico is a poor country. And it's not his fault Mexicans in the US are poor. Nor is it his duty to make sure that they are well off. It is his duty to make sure that a better future for his posterity is around, and that his family is provided for as best he can.

Everyone speeks of the poor, downtrodden Mexican. What about the poor, downtrodden American? Who cares for them? I do not think we should provide for other country's poor until we have eradicated poverty from America altogether.

Get your priorities together. By increasing the amount of poor people in America, you increase poverty (duh), and therefore increase the amount of things the left has to whine about. Kick them out, less poor people, less whining (kinda).

11 million people isn't a vital part of our economy. It just saves Walmart money. And Walmart can [censored for good of humanity, and also so it is not in violation of the Geneva Convention and several UN Resolutions].

I didn't say it he was blinded by greed because they are poor. You know, you could have a bit of compassion. They're people is all I'm saying. I'm not saying his duty is to anyone but his family, all I am saying is he can afford a little bit for a lot of people to have a better life.

I'm totally with the idea of caring for the 'downtrodden American' you speak of. I do plenty of charity work and I will continue to. That's why I feel we shouldn't have wars named "Iraqi Freedom". We're supposed to be helping the poor in Iraq, when we have our own poor. Sorry, let me get back on topic here.

You see, you totally miss the things I'm saying Kaiser. I did not say, I want to allow the illegals to continue to come. I even stated earlier (if you've been reading any of my posts), that I would in fact like to slow it down or stop it. Quite frankly, I don't want to hear your B.S about the left whining. I'm not even going to bring up the right, for it's just a waste of time.

You say 11 million people isn't a vital part of our economy? I believe it's a greater part then you give credit for.

[PanzerJaeger]

Strike for the South is correct.

This woman is aiding and abetting criminals. She should be arrested.

Having no money gives these illegals no more right to enter America than I had. It is not difficult to enter the United States legally and if it is for these people, they should attempt to make their own pathetic country decent instead of bringing ours down.

It was their choice to attempt to cross a desert, and they must pay the consequences. I bet this woman is taking them to hospitals that are unable to offer decent help to real americans because they are strapped by all the[*] illegals.

(Language - Beirut)

[Samurai Waki]

This could very well be the first time I'm in agreement with both Kaiser and Panzer... And I also believe that the Great Wall of America is a' comin'

[Papewaio]

You could wash their feet, give them a meal and then send them home.

Firm but fair.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

You could wash their feet, give them a meal and then send them home.

Firm but fair.

Seems like a good idea. It's a tough situation in my opinion...

[Reverend Joe]

God, you people are being jerks! For god's sake, the woman is trying to be nice! Maybe she is a little misguided, but it doesn't matter who she is trying to be nice to- it's that she is being nice! She could bring bread and water to the Manson family; it wouldn't change the fact that her motives are kindness towards her fellow man.

This has not a damn thing to do with illegal immigration. It is about one nice thing that, in the words of Sgt. Horvath, "we can pull out of this whole, godawful ****ty mess." Hell, I am against illegal immigration, but I still think this woman is deserving of a little respect.

[Ser Clegane]

Having no money gives these illegals no more right to enter America than I had. It is not difficult to enter the United States legally and if it is for these people, they should attempt to make their own pathetic country decent instead of bringing ours down.

What?

No more "Mexicans are godsend when you are in real estate"?

What changed your mind? Have you left the real eastate business?

I am genuinely shocked

[Sjakihata]

Anyone else long for the day when we can abolish borders altogether?

Yes, Im longing madly for that!

[Duke Malcolm]

Anyone else long for the day when we can abolish borders altogether?

Yes, when the rest of the world is under British soveriegnty...

[Somebody Else]

Yes, when the rest of the world is under British soveriegnty...

One way or another... Whether it be an American, British, German, Russian, or Chinese empire, Islamic Caliphate, UN-governed world federation (least likely, I know...)... Once it's one system, it can be tweaked.

[Red Peasant]

What's the point of this thread?
I've met plenty of 'nice' Christians, and Muslims, and Jews, and Hindus, and Atheists, and Agnostics, and Pagans, etc. etc. Maybe you hang out with the wrong sort of people.

However, just because they are nice doesn't mean that I have to agree with any of them, or admit that they possess the only 'truth', or worship the only 'god/s'.

[English assassin]

I'd say this thread had triumphantly made its point.

You can like it or not, and I don't presume for a moment to know what Jesus would do in any situation, but I reckon Maryada Vallet is on the money. I don't remember reading Jesus saying Help the poor (so long as they have a green card). As matter of fact, when Jesus said love thy neighbour, and he was asked who is my neighbour, i seem to remember he answered with a parable about a member of a despised neighbouring race (its the Good Samaritan, for those who weren't paying attention in RE).

Its not my border and its not my faith but IMHO she is living what it tells her in the bible to do and fair play to her. And some people want her arrested and punished. Hmm, now let me think, who is Christ and who are the Roman soldiers in this little story...

[Prodigal]

They need more money than you

Errrr...Maybe you shouldn't knock people for their spelling.

[Moros]

It's funny that it can be illegal to live in the so called country of freedom.

Panzer, I wander what you would do when you were poor, trying to survive and trying to get a better live or would you just keep being poor, watch you children /family suffer, not wishing for a better life. OFcourse you'd want to stay poor woudln't you? Ofcourse you wouldn't wish for a better life. Ofcourse you would hate it if people helped you. Everybody hates kind people, no?

[Divinus Arma]

Would you be so kind as to properly label your thread titles so we know what the hell is actually being discussed? Nice ones? Tits? Cars? Kittens? Golf clubs? Come on, you.

As for the discussion, the United States cannot support a massive importation of global poverty without sustaining long-term economic damage. The uneducated unskilled baby-dropping millions consume far more in public resources than they contribute.

I feel for these people. And I would do the same thing. But just because they are next to us does not entitle them to our country's resources anymore than the Congo or Ethiopia should be entitled to come into this country by the millions.

The United States can provide the greatest benefit to the world by remaining economically powerful. Destroy the American economy and you will destory the world ecopnomy.

[Sjakihata]

Would you be so kind as to properly label your thread titles so we know what the hell is actually being discussed? Nice ones? Tits? Cars? Kittens? Golf clubs? Come on, you.

Yes, I thought too at first the thread was about tits - I got disappointed...

[Alexanderofmacedon]

Would you be so kind as to properly label your thread titles so we know what the hell is actually being discussed? Nice ones? Tits? Cars? Kittens? Golf clubs? Come on, you.

As for the discussion, the United States cannot support a massive importation of global poverty without sustaining long-term economic damage. The uneducated unskilled baby-dropping millions consume far more in public resources than they contribute.

I feel for these people. And I would do the same thing. But just because they are next to us does not entitle them to our country's resources anymore than the Congo or Ethiopia should be entitled to come into this country by the millions.

The United States can provide the greatest benefit to the world by remaining economically powerful. Destroy the American economy and you will destory the world ecopnomy.

It just brings you into the thread.

[yesdachi]

I had originally thought you were being sarcastic but after reading further along in the thread you are serious. You seriously think she is doing good and you seriously think allowing the illegals to remain is ok. I can’t think of a bigger mistake the US could make. Invading Iraq was a plan of genius compared to allowing the nearly 20 million (this is a more accurate number than your 11) illegal immigrants (which would quickly turn into 200 million, via bring your family along immigration rules and new births over the course of just a few years, if they were granted some kind of amnesty) to stay.

The US can not take on a burden of such magnitude without collapsing. And why would we want to? To be nice? Pffffftt not me, I’m having a hard enough time paying my own bills and securing my families future. A future that I have been working on for over 30 years. No one should be able to hop a fence or swim a river or cross a dry rocky piece of land and be given all the things I have been busting my butt for. There are no free rides on this bus, baby, and I don’t see many illegals with a token, actually my bus isn’t free AND it doesn’t have any vacancy’s either, unless you go thru the proper immigration channels. I don’t feel any compulsion to offer them any assistance at all. IMO, if they want more they should be storming the gates to Fox’s house rather than storming across our boarder.

[Blodrast]

It is not difficult to enter the United States legally and if it is for these people, they should attempt to make their own pathetic country decent instead of bringing ours down.

(emphasis mine) OT, so I won't get into too many details, but I beg to differ.
And I'm speaking from the position of a person with a high level of education, imo.
For people who don't even have that - pfffft... It _may_ have been easy 70 years ago, but things are different today...