Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread
Silly me for not thinking of that. I would leave that up to the player's decision. I can imagine some scenarios where that might work, and some where it might cause disaster. For example, where I to recruit a large group a srmatian horse archers, I would be tempted to led them be lead by the AI in battle.
Technical problem current config
Hi,
The CTD is definitely caused by having a battle on the battlefield when attacking Pyrrhus when he is stationed in Rhegium. Everything else works fine. No clue where the problem lies. I will try out some different configs today and try to figure out what the problem is.
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread
Good luck tracking down the bug, DDW. You cost me half a night's sleep last night - I had just saved the game where I was about to give battle to Pyrrhus and was going to bed, when I read how attacking him had led your game to crash.So I just had to go back to it and see if it was playable. It was, fortunately, but I'll be anxious approaching Rhegium.
It's good if some people play parallel games to this PBM, especially if there are tech problems like this we may stumble over. Fore-warned is fore-armed, as they say.
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I am a muppet.
I took lots of screenshots last night, but the default directory FRAPS saved them in was for an older install that I had deleted. So they are all gone.
Shame - there were some great shots of elephants smashing into hastati and Pyrrhus and Quintus locked in hand to hand combat.
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Shame about the screenhsots, but good to hear you're being so succesfull on the battlefield.
The link to sho's latest edu gives a file called : export_descr_unitmn.txt
I am assuming this needs to overwrite export_descr_unit.txt ?
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread
Hi,
Well I'm done testing. I tried several configs, and the problem is not Pyrrhus his army, but Rhegium itself.
I downloaded your interrim savegame and assaulted Rhegium with the army stationed in Croton which resulted in a CTD again. Attacking anywhere else on the map gives no problems. When I attack Rhegium with RTR 1.4 and metronaval mod, it gives no problems. It seems that the combination of RTR 1.5 and metronaval mod is the problem.
Now, I am running RTW, and do not have BI installed. Could anyone verify that attacking Rhegium causes a CTD for them as well ? Otherwise the problem could be mine alone.
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread
Yes, good point about the EDU - I've clarified that in post #2 now.
On Rhegium, does it crash if you auto-resolve? If you siege them out? I'll try it out myself, although it may take a while.
Edit: I noticed on the RTR forums, in the thread on MN for PE, Macedonn acknowledges the missing Roman traits problem with descr_strat.txt that we noticed. He says he uploaded the wrong file and posts the right one. I wonder if using the right one fixes the Rhegium crash?
Last edited by econ21; 05-27-2006 at 15:15.
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread
Just FYI, I'm out of town for the weekend and thus won't have much time to update the bios. Be assured that I will ass all pictures and info updates to the Library no later than Monday evening.
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread
Yes, I noticed that myself. I does not make any difference. Basically, his changes are the same you made yourself. Autoresolve does work, but of course, the casualties will be high. Sieging them out makes no difference, fighting a battle at the city of Rhegium on the battlefield causes the CTD. For the hell of it, I also tried a night attack, but that makes no difference. I think it must be something to do with generating the battlefield and the geography. Perhaps a terrain file is missing or corrupted. Still, this is the only problem, and quite possibly might be only occuring with my system, so it's not all that important. Should my avatar get involved in a battle that causes a CTD, I'll pass the savegame along to someone else.Originally Posted by econ21
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread
I will try it Rhegium on my savegame, DDW, but I am waiting to hear from FLYDUDE first. I'm reluctant to do a "dummy run", as it takes some of the fun out of playing my reign for real.
Tiberius: I am assigning you TinCow's previous avatar - Amulius Coruncanius, as we've found an adult for TinCow. Overtime, I am going to make sure everyone has an adult.
If any member of the Upper House wants a diplomat, you should lobby for his recruitment in the Senate. Antio Sextius is going walkabout, so one closer to home would be justifiable.
TrickyLady's character has married an amazing young fighter - I'm trying to persuade her to eventually step down to the Lower House or to liberate him for another Lower House player, as it seems a waste not to let him fight.
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Im curious to see how all of the charcters progressed. Can you post screenshots?
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I better get my RTW box off the shelf if you want me to play a turn. Let's just wait & see.
PS. Thanks for linking me to a strong character. I would be happy to see a screenshot of this fighting youngster.
Last edited by Tricky Lady; 05-27-2006 at 22:03.
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread
TrickyLady - your character's screenshot is in the Senate library. The key thing about being a Lower House member is not just that you might take a reign - it's that you may be asked to fight a battle in another person's reign at 48 hours notice. There's no urgency at the moment, as we have more Lower House people than generals and you character is still rather young to take a field command. But your man really does seem to be marked for greatness and it would be a shame not to use him eventually.
TinCow will update the other screenshots when he returns to his computer, but IIRC they have not changed much so far. I am going to post a savegame Senate278s.zip later tonight that Lower House members can download to find out how their characters have changed.
EDIT: With the latest version of the Metropolisis and Naval mod out, I've revised the installation instructions in post #2 yet again. I realise this constant patching is a pain for Lower House members, but the revisions do help with some minor bugs. What I recommend is that whoever becomes First Consul reinstall the mod when they take office. But other Lower House members can probably patch as they go along (I just installed the latest MN over my existing installation and then did the last 2 steps again).
EDIT: I also get the CTD that DDW reported when I attack Rhegium. Grrrr... I am going to load my prebattle save as Rhegium.zip. Anyone with the mod installed can try it and see if they also get the CTD.
Last edited by econ21; 05-28-2006 at 15:31.
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread
You night try to lure them out of the city by posting a lone unit just outside as bait and your army just beyond that. Then your army can reinforce the lone unit if it gets attacked. The rebels will not attack you however. If the battlefield does not figure the city of Rhegium there are no problems. Otherwise autoresolve seems to be the only way out of this conundrum.
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I'm a little confused how we can lure them out if they can't move. I know the rebel generals in cities have traits that make them immovable (and unbribable).
I am currently installing PE 1.4 and seeing if I can play out the rhegium save on that, save again and go back to 1.5.
EDIT: no, it still crashes. Autoresolving seems to be the only option left.
Last edited by econ21; 05-28-2006 at 17:53.
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread
There is the possibilty of waiting for Rhegium to be taken over by another faction and luring them out. It is of course theoretical in the current scenario. I was able to play the battle at Rhegium by intalling RTRPE 1.4 and the previous M&N mod. It seems the new install contains the critical flaw as well. I see you have reacted to my posts in tech support about this, good work.
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread
Can you play out "my" battle at Rhegium on your 1.4 install, DDW? ie download the rhegium.zip and fight the battle manually? Or are you referring to your own earlier battles at Rhegium.
If you can play out "my" battle, you might try doing that, saving it as rhegium2.zip and uploading it. I could try to play on from there. What do you think?
Autoresolve is brutal, although if we have to go that route, I would bring up more men before doing it. I don't think we can wait for another faction to take it - they are too weak, in my experience.
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I agree Rhegium must be taken one way or the other. I am an idiot
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It's ok - DDW - don't worry about it. I don't think my save will work on an older install of MN. It did not work for me anyway. I can take Rhegium by autoresolve and it's not so painful. I think I will do that.
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Too late now, I already did it
The trick ended up being only RTR 1.4 and M&N, NOT the updates. Adding the updates causes the CTD at Rhegium. I lost 44 men and rhegium2.zip is available in the upload directory. I am a tiny bit worried about savegame compatibility, so I advise you to load, then save again immediately, quit the game and load it again. That should probably clear up any hidden problems.
By the way, it seems someone has gotten the 'Favour of the Gods' ! *Insane jealousy carefully hidden*.
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I know I'm horribly spamming, please excuse me, but just had to show that a 4-unit garrison is sufficient to hold of a Gaul army :) :
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So was that just a bit of flanking fun or are you some kind of strategic genius?
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Thanks for helping with the Rhegium problem, DDW.
Impressive - but tell me, is that on autoresolve?
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Well i would assume considering the utter lack of casualties on the roman side that the gaul must have been composed almost entirely of peasants or some equivalent unit. Otherwise the Gauls in this mod are incredibly underpowered. More underpowered than even RTW vanilla.
How large were the Gaulish units? If they were in excess of 100 men per unit each then this means the gauls had only 5 or 6 units. Hardly a sizeable advantage over your own forces.
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread
Um, maybe I should dig out their stats. I don't believe they are more underpowered than even RTW vanilla. In RTR Gold, I fought a battle with 1 stack of Romans against about 2 stacks of Gauls. It was horrific - everyone died virtually to a man - I only won by using cavalry charges to the rear. Morale has been reduced in the mod we are playing but it gave me a new respect for Gauls.
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Yeah i was thinking the same thing. Thats why i say that DDWs battle couldnt have included gauls of anything above peasant status to have so few casualties.
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That's wierd, is my image only available to me ? There is one tiny, but spectacular difference in RTRPE. The italian spearmen (perhaps all spearmen ?) seem to have the phalanx ability. That means they are murderous in the streets.
I placed my two spearmen units side by side in defensive mode, 4 ranks deep, at the end of the main street with the two swordsmen behind them on fire-at-will. The Gauls had a decent army, with 3 cavalry units, and the rest assorted spear- and swordsmen. They charged en masse down main street and almost broke trough, I managed to just hold them, but I needed the swordsmen to push them back a little so I could compensate for my losses and link the spearmen units again into a line. Then I had to stop a cavalry charge down a side street with the swordsmen. Then it became a slaughter. My swordsmen flanking the spearmen created the 'pit-of-death', and then fear spread like trough the massed enemy troops like a brushfire. They came with 925 men, and they left with 5. I lost 58 men.
The barbarian units are very vulnerable to routing. If you can contain them and rout one of them, the rest are very likely to start routing also. In open field they do a lot better.
EDIT : I play with these campaign settings, i.e. VH/M (campaign/combat) and large unit size (80 men).
Last edited by Death the destroyer of worlds; 05-29-2006 at 08:55.
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread
OK, it's good to know how you did it. I read something about Italian spearmen being made hoplites in PE, which sounds good as I found them pretty poor before. Other players should be aware there's lots of debate on the RTR PE forums about phalanxes in PE (maybe in RTW 1.5 in general?) - apparently they can easily get in to trouble if you try to attack with them, they get out of formation and draw swords etc. From what I've read, best results seem to be keeping them stationary and letting the enemy attack. But I don't know what DDWs found.
The autoresolve question was tongue in cheek, DDW - unless we have a Lower House member leading them, our garrisons won't get a chance to emulate your tactics.
Last edited by econ21; 05-29-2006 at 14:26.
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread
Oh drat, I was trying to follow our house rules in my own campaign and I just forgot ! :) :) Oh well, I autoresolved at Rhegium in my campaign so now I'll call it 'even' with the AI. You will still get 2-1 kills on autoresolve I suspect.
There have been changes since I last experimented, but the major problem is when phalanx charges phalanx. They charge right into each other's formation and it becomes a chaotic melee, the so-called 'mosh pit'.
The best way to use hoplites is to use them defensively in guard mode. If you want to attack with them, best results are reached with taking them off guard mode. The triarii also have phalanx ability. You can tell by they way they hold their spears.
The whole thing is caused because they 'downgraded' the phalanx units in RTW patch 1.5 (this is not a RTRPE issue).
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread
I have had a good nose around and could i join the upper house please.
I think i need to play the mod a little before im ready for the lower house.
This is a cracking idea econ21, well done.
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