The Will of the Senate - out of character thread

**econ21** · 05-23-2006, 10:30

I think I've worked out the mechanics for Senate voting.

I'll post two seperate polls, each in their own thread. They will both be public, so I can check if the voters really are senators and I can take influence into account.

For the motions votes, I will just list every motion and allow multiple votes. Then you can vote yes to as many motions as you want.

I'll post the First Consul voting thread when avatars are confirmed 6pm tonight (henceforth all my times can be taken to be UK ones) and the motions 6pm tomorrow. I'll get them to be open for 3 and 2 days after opening (ie Friday), but will count the votes a little early on 6pm Friday, so the First Consul can start play Friday night if they want to.

**econ21** · 05-23-2006, 11:57

It might be appropriate for us to check with the Senate Fixer,DDW about the current status of patches to the mods we are using.

At the RTR forums, I have found this:

Originally Posted by Marcus Camillus

...here is the order I would recommend installing in to use the Metro&Naval Mod for RTR Platinum.
1. Install RTW and patch it to v1.5.
2. Install the RTR Platinum Final Beta full installer.
3. Add the files of the "Corrected_RTR_Platinum_Files_v2.0.zip".
4. Install Shos' latest Updated EDU file.
5. Install the "Metro&Naval Mod for RTR Platinum".

Quote is from:
http://forums.rometotalrealism.org/i...=18768&st=140#

The Corrected_RTR_Platinum_Files_v2.0.zip, last edited 19th May, can be downloaded from:
http://www.beaglepc.net/storage/rome...Files_v2.0.zip

Shos’s EDU file, last updatd 21 May can be found at:
http://forums.rometotalrealism.org/i...e=post&id=5603

Both are discussed on page 7 of:
http://forums.rometotalrealism.org/i...=18768&st=120#

Marcus may consolidate 3 & 4 into a single 2.1.zip. But that's not a substantive change. He will be going on vacation soon, so perhaps there will be no further changes apart from anything done to the EDU by Shos and Shanky. However, changes to the EDU are rather easy to patch.

It is rather awkward to have step (5) after (3) and (4), as it means that those of us who have already installed the Metro&Naval mod have to unpick this step. However, this is only really an immediate issue for the First Consul.

I'm not clear why (5) comes after (4) - does Metro&Naval mod not have its own EDU?

If DDW confirms Marcus's information, I will put it and the links on post#2 of this thread.

**Death the destroyer of worlds** · 05-23-2006, 12:38

Originally Posted by econ21

It is rather awkward to have step (5) after (3) and (4), as it means that those of us who have already installed the Metro&Naval mod have to unpick this step. However, this is only really an immediate issue for the First Consul.

I'm not clear why (5) comes after (4) - does Metro&Naval mod not have its own EDU?

If DDW confirms Marcus's information, I will put it and the links on post#2 of this thread.

I looked into it last night, and will make a definite post late this evening, a bit early due to popular demand. I suspect the order of 3-5 is not relevant and can be modified and 3 and 4 be done at a later time. Nevertheless, I advise everyone to keep backups of a Vanilla RTW 1.5 edition and the mods. I will look into this later, but I'm at work at the moment :)

**Avicenna** · 05-23-2006, 13:50

Out of Character post:

I propose having an EB Romani campaign just like this when the full version is released.

Who's with me?

**econ21** · 05-23-2006, 14:15

Originally Posted by Tiberius

I propose having an EB Romani campaign just like this when the full version is released.

Who's with me?

Absolutely! EB is my favorite mod, but I have held off starting a PBM with it because it is still terribly unstable on my computer - it crashes so often, I've stopped playing it. If the port to 1.5 fixes that problem, then it would make a great PBM. I'd be inclined to let this campaign play out first, though, so we could learn lessons and not dissipate people's energies.

All that said though, I've been impressed with what I have seen of this mod. As TinCow noted, the scripting of Roman leadership traits by Marcus Camillus is lovely for role-playing. Also, just loading it up and fighting a battle, I noticed that the Roman rank and file infantry in RTR are much prettier than their Camillan equivalents in EB (this is not a comment on the modders abilities, just on the actual uniforms of the troops).

**Death the destroyer of worlds** · 05-23-2006, 18:50

Originally Posted by Tiberius

Out of Character post:

I propose having an EB Romani campaign just like this when the full version is released.

Who's with me?

Tempting, but EB still needs a lot of work, amazing as it is already.

**Mount Suribachi** · 05-23-2006, 19:05

Originally Posted by Tiberius

Out of Character post:

I propose having an EB Romani campaign just like this when the full version is released.

Who's with me?

Aye Carumba! Give us chance man, we've not even started this one yet!

Hopefully the fact that everyone continues to have an input will enable this PBEM to maintain its momentum into the late game.

I've played a few turns of the mod, and have been impressed by the professionalism of it. Fought a battle and after playing vanilla RTW for 6 months it....seemed.....so.....slow

I'm there drumming my fingers whilst waiting for surrounded hoplites to die. Guess I'll have to get used to no more insta-routs

**Avicenna** · 05-23-2006, 19:31

I'm planning to do this over the summer holidays, when I actually have time. No problem with planning ahead though, is there?

**Death the destroyer of worlds** · 05-23-2006, 19:42

Originally Posted by Mount Suribachi

I've played a few turns of the mod, and have been impressed by the professionalism of it. Fought a battle and after playing vanilla RTW for 6 months it....seemed.....so.....slow

I'm there drumming my fingers whilst waiting for surrounded hoplites to die. Guess I'll have to get used to no more insta-routs

There is a problem with morale being way too high for everyone. The last minute fixes I will explain later on reduce moral for everyone by 25 % and give a more realistic battle. Still, hoplites are not know for giving in quickly, we're not talking gaul swordsmen here :)

**Avicenna** · 05-23-2006, 20:12

Personally I don't find the morale too high, in fact the RTR is more enjoyable, getting to kill more without actually having to have masses of light cav for chasing purposes.

Anyway, if two pila volleys can rout a unit, it's not actually that much higher morale-wise.

**TinCow** · 05-23-2006, 12:06

Originally Posted by econ21

I think I've worked out the mechanics for Senate voting.

I'll post two seperate polls, each in their own thread. They will both be public, so I can check if the voters really are senators and I can take influence into account.

For the motions votes, I will just list every motion and allow multiple votes. Then you can vote yes to as many motions as you want.

I'll post the First Consul voting thread when avatars are confirmed 6pm tonight (henceforth all my times can be taken to be UK ones) and the motions 6pm tomorrow. I'll get them to be open for 3 and 2 days after opening (ie Friday), but will count the votes a little early on 6pm Friday, so the First Consul can start play Friday night if they want to.

I don't mean to try and dictate Org policy, but perhaps it would be best to create a sub-forum for The Will of the Senate. I agree that using seperate voting threads will be the easiest to track votes (though I think all discussion should remain in the original thread). However, we're already in danger of overhwelming the Throne Room with Senate material. Too much more and we'll drown this place and start to lose track of our own threads as well. Is a sub-forum a possibility?

**econ21** · 05-23-2006, 12:26

Originally Posted by TinCow

Is a sub-forum a possibility?

Given that I now have moderator powers here, I don't think a sub-forum will be necessary. We now have four "permanent" threads for this PBM: - two interactive ones - this one and the Senate deliberations thread; and two "reference" ones - the Senate library and the First Consul reports. I don't think this is too much, given that the forum page is not even full when displayed with the default "show posts made in the last 2 weeks".

I am going to create two temporary poll threads for voting - one for the first First Consul; one for all motions submitted this session. No one need post in them - just choose your polls options. After Friday, the threads will be irrelevant. As we have more and more sessions, to avoid such temporary threads cluttering up the forum, I will "age" them, so they slip off the front page.