The Will of the Senate - out of character thread

[econ21]

It might be appropriate for us to check with the Senate Fixer,DDW about the current status of patches to the mods we are using.

At the RTR forums, I have found this:

...here is the order I would recommend installing in to use the Metro&Naval Mod for RTR Platinum.
1. Install RTW and patch it to v1.5.
2. Install the RTR Platinum Final Beta full installer.
3. Add the files of the "Corrected_RTR_Platinum_Files_v2.0.zip".
4. Install Shos' latest Updated EDU file.
5. Install the "Metro&Naval Mod for RTR Platinum".

Quote is from:
http://forums.rometotalrealism.org/i...=18768&st=140#

The Corrected_RTR_Platinum_Files_v2.0.zip, last edited 19th May, can be downloaded from:
http://www.beaglepc.net/storage/rome...Files_v2.0.zip

Shos’s EDU file, last updatd 21 May can be found at:
http://forums.rometotalrealism.org/i...e=post&id=5603

Both are discussed on page 7 of:
http://forums.rometotalrealism.org/i...=18768&st=120#

Marcus may consolidate 3 & 4 into a single 2.1.zip. But that's not a substantive change. He will be going on vacation soon, so perhaps there will be no further changes apart from anything done to the EDU by Shos and Shanky. However, changes to the EDU are rather easy to patch.

It is rather awkward to have step (5) after (3) and (4), as it means that those of us who have already installed the Metro&Naval mod have to unpick this step. However, this is only really an immediate issue for the First Consul.

I'm not clear why (5) comes after (4) - does Metro&Naval mod not have its own EDU?

If DDW confirms Marcus's information, I will put it and the links on post#2 of this thread.

[Death the destroyer of worlds]

It is rather awkward to have step (5) after (3) and (4), as it means that those of us who have already installed the Metro&Naval mod have to unpick this step. However, this is only really an immediate issue for the First Consul.

I'm not clear why (5) comes after (4) - does Metro&Naval mod not have its own EDU?

If DDW confirms Marcus's information, I will put it and the links on post#2 of this thread.

I looked into it last night, and will make a definite post late this evening, a bit early due to popular demand. I suspect the order of 3-5 is not relevant and can be modified and 3 and 4 be done at a later time. Nevertheless, I advise everyone to keep backups of a Vanilla RTW 1.5 edition and the mods. I will look into this later, but I'm at work at the moment :)

[Avicenna]

Out of Character post:

I propose having an EB Romani campaign just like this when the full version is released.

Who's with me?

[econ21]

I propose having an EB Romani campaign just like this when the full version is released.

Who's with me?

Absolutely! EB is my favorite mod, but I have held off starting a PBM with it because it is still terribly unstable on my computer - it crashes so often, I've stopped playing it. If the port to 1.5 fixes that problem, then it would make a great PBM. I'd be inclined to let this campaign play out first, though, so we could learn lessons and not dissipate people's energies.

All that said though, I've been impressed with what I have seen of this mod. As TinCow noted, the scripting of Roman leadership traits by Marcus Camillus is lovely for role-playing. Also, just loading it up and fighting a battle, I noticed that the Roman rank and file infantry in RTR are much prettier than their Camillan equivalents in EB (this is not a comment on the modders abilities, just on the actual uniforms of the troops).

[Death the destroyer of worlds]

Out of Character post:

I propose having an EB Romani campaign just like this when the full version is released.

Who's with me?

Tempting, but EB still needs a lot of work, amazing as it is already.

[Mount Suribachi]

Out of Character post:

I propose having an EB Romani campaign just like this when the full version is released.

Who's with me?

Aye Carumba! Give us chance man, we've not even started this one yet! Hopefully the fact that everyone continues to have an input will enable this PBEM to maintain its momentum into the late game.

I've played a few turns of the mod, and have been impressed by the professionalism of it. Fought a battle and after playing vanilla RTW for 6 months it....seemed.....so.....slow I'm there drumming my fingers whilst waiting for surrounded hoplites to die. Guess I'll have to get used to no more insta-routs

[Avicenna]

I'm planning to do this over the summer holidays, when I actually have time. No problem with planning ahead though, is there?

[Death the destroyer of worlds]

I've played a few turns of the mod, and have been impressed by the professionalism of it. Fought a battle and after playing vanilla RTW for 6 months it....seemed.....so.....slow I'm there drumming my fingers whilst waiting for surrounded hoplites to die. Guess I'll have to get used to no more insta-routs

There is a problem with morale being way too high for everyone. The last minute fixes I will explain later on reduce moral for everyone by 25 % and give a more realistic battle. Still, hoplites are not know for giving in quickly, we're not talking gaul swordsmen here :)

[Avicenna]

Personally I don't find the morale too high, in fact the RTR is more enjoyable, getting to kill more without actually having to have masses of light cav for chasing purposes.

Anyway, if two pila volleys can rout a unit, it's not actually that much higher morale-wise.

[econ21]

Tricky_Lady: ok, I will assign you Marcella, who is 18. I am not sure how she is related to the rest of the family tree, as - like Quintus - she has no family name.

She will pretty quickly get an offer of marriage and the family member she weds can be your avatar by proxy. On reflection, I think giving you right of refusal may slow things down too much, so this will have to be an arranged marriage. However, you can let the First Consul know the desirable attributes you will look for in a match and what things you would like to veto - ie age, stats, traits etc.

Mount: morale is about the only quibble I have with RTR. IIRC a unit of hastati has a morale of about 6 in RTW, 13 in EB and 24 in RTR Gold. Shos's EDU file I posted earlier cuts it down to 18 or so, 25% as DDW said. I think the implication is that breaking the enemy's morale is even more important - try to go for the flanks, prepare the ground with missiles, threaten with cavalry etc. Total War has lots of pretty big morale modifiers hidden under the engine - you need to bring them into play. Just fight a frontal stand-up battle and the enemy can often fight to almost the last man - taking a lot of yours with them. Given that we have a no retraining rule, a couple of big battles can wreck your army (we'll need a fairly constant chain of replacements to top up depleted units regardless).

[Death the destroyer of worlds]

As promised, here are the final instructions. This has been tested by me and seems to work fine.

For the people that have already installed metronaval mod (step 4) :
After reviewing the files I'd say it is possible to do step 3 after step 5, but then I would like someone who does that to send me the final resulting files that are included in 3. So what you end up with after step 7. Then I can compare them with what I have and see if everything is correct, and otherwise send you the correct files. If this is unclear let me know and I'll go into excruciating detail.

Step 3 : the Corrected_RTR_Platinum_Files are just what they say.
Step 5 : The update of the metronaval mod includes Marcus his 4PTY mod 1.9.1. which is especially compatible with metonaval mod.
Step 6 : Shos latest EDU for RTRPE with Metro&Naval Mod contains various essential fixes.
Step 7 : It fix solves the problem that the ptolemaic empire gets wasted by Carthage while its fighting the Seleucids. No more crossing the endless desert of Libya.
There are more fixes and tweaks, but none I considered absolutely vital. This seems like the best setup as of 24/05/2006 00:56. I do not own BI and so this has only been tested for RTW1.5 !

RTR Platinum Edition install instructions
http://forums.rometotalrealism.org/i...howtopic=19705

1. Prior to installing Rome Total Realism Platinum, you will need a fresh install of Vanilla RTW(v1.0).
Download and patch RTW to the following patch versions, in the order listed.
a. RTW v1.2 patch (this is probably unnecessary, but do it anyway)
b. RTW v1.3 patch
c. RTW v1.5 patch

! Test if it still works, and if so make a backup !
! And for the sake of the gods save all your mod files so you can recreate this install later !

2. Download the full installer v1.0 and install it to your fresh RTW directory.
RTR Platinum Edition 1.0 (=BETA 1.4)
http://forums.rometotalrealism.org/i...howtopic=19682

Included in this mod are :
Darth Vader (DarthFormations: added to patch_v0.3.rar)
Archer (SkyMod: included in beta 1.0)
SignifierOne (Animations pack v0.8, without which it would have taken much longer to make this)

3. Install the Corrected_RTR_Platinum_Files_v2.0.zip
Files belong in \Data
http://forums.rometotalrealism.org/i...c=18768&st=120

4. Install METROPOLIS & NAVALMOD by Snake_IV
http://forums.rometotalrealism.org/i...pic=20000&st=0

5. Install Update1 for METROPOLIS & NAVALMOD by Snake_IV
Unzip these files and add them MANUALLY in \Data
http://forums.rometotalrealism.org/i...pic=20000&st=0

6. Shos latest EDU for RTRPE with Metro&Naval Mod
Install this in \Data
http://forums.rometotalrealism.org/i...c=18768&st=120

7. parthia/bactria landblock + africa landblock
Install this in \Data\world\maps\base
http://forums.rometotalrealism.org/i...c=18768&st=140

8. Delete map.rwm from
c:\Rome - Total War\data\world\maps\base
c:\Rome - Total War\data\world\maps\campaign\base
c:\Rome - Total War\data\world\maps\campaign\imperial_campaign

CRITICAL WARNING FOR ALL PLAYERS !!!
As you load the game, wait for the advisor to pop up (you do not need to have advice on, it will show up anyway). Click on the show-me-how button to activate the 4TPY mod. If you forget to do this, you will probably mess up the savegame and at the very least mess up the 4PTY mod. Now you can start playing. You need to do this EVERY TIME you load or start a game.

9. Now get out there and kick some ass !

I've earned a beer, me thinks...