The Will of the Senate - out of character thread

**Death the destroyer of worlds** · 06-02-2006, 11:27

Originally Posted by econ21

DDW, do you agree the next First Consul should use this file? I've already put the reference in post #2.

There is an official section for this mod on :
http://forums.rometotalrealism.org/i...howtopic=20472
However, that file is is Sanky's dated 26-5, so I think using Sho's is better for the moment, as it is dated 29-5. The upcoming first consul is warned however, that elephants will probably become MUCH more powerful, so you better watch yourself in Afrika, Tiberius :) For clarity, this is a 'beta' of the upcoming final cavalry rebalancing, so there might be some wierd occurences. It should work for people with BI and without it. We can wait for the 'final' version or try this beta. I say let's keep using the beta optional for the moment. I will probably use it, should, heaven forbid, I actually win this election :).

**econ21** · 06-02-2006, 11:53

OK, thanks for the info. Digging into the stats a little, I must say I can't agree with what the mod has done to cavalry (nerfing their attack). I've just made a post about this in the rebalancing thread in the RTR PE forum. Still, as an infantry heavy faction, it probably is not an issue with us. Just don't use your cavalry unless you really have to.

Elephants are monsters - Pyrrhus's caught a unit of my hastati and killed about 60 in a few seconds. They die real quick to velites though.

**Death the destroyer of worlds** · 06-02-2006, 12:33

Originally Posted by econ21

Elephants are monsters - Pyrrhus's caught a unit of my hastati and killed about 60 in a few seconds. They die real quick to velites though.

At the moment a seleucid war elephant will kill around 120 hoplites at the moment of impact when charging head on. Oh, and they are so welarmoured they are practically unkillable. Let's just say that if we were playing as Parthia I would not have recommened using this beta just yet :)

**Braden** · 06-02-2006, 15:01

econ21 (keep wanting to use your real name), looking at the motions currently open to vote, I wonder if it would be a good idea to negate Influence for tabling motions as all but one of them have been put down without a seconder.

Whilst I’ve got no major issue with it, it does take some of the RP out of the Senate proceedings……for example I’ve only been approached once for a request to support a motion and I think this is one of the advantages of this game. The back-door dealings via private email or PM….

This won’t really address itself as play goes on but will just get worse – I envisage a time when just about every Senator will be able to table their own Motions. I’m sure that its not something that would appeal to you.

Influence I think is still workable when voting on the motions and elections but not for tabling them.

Also, DDW – your motions #7 & #9 appear to be identical.

P.S. - Next character. You offered out the next diplomatic position and I was first to put my name down for the Avatar. However, are we using Spys as well as Avatars? I don't see major issue with this if we are and if so, am happy to take a Spy Avatar in place of a Diplomat.

**Death the destroyer of worlds** · 06-02-2006, 15:31

I agree with your line of reasoning Braden and I'll second that. I also propose a maximum of 5 votes (total) for every senator. This will allow our massively influential praetors and consuls to vote on every issue without laying down the law so to speak.
I feel I should mention that almost all of the motions have been seconded by another senator.
I am aware that the motions are similar, but they are seperate propositions.
It is just that if you vote for 7, you will vote for 9. But you might disagree with 7, but not with 9. Hence two seperate motions.
I wish you luck on your career choice, spying is a hazardous profession :)

**econ21** · 06-02-2006, 17:36

Interesting, Braden - I was just thinking the same thing about seconding motions. OK, all motions must have a named Senator second them. I was even thinking about requiring two seconders - Senate debates seem so fractured, it would be good to encourage a little more coherence and collectivism. What do people think?

I don't want to cap influence - it maxs out at 6 votes per player total (10 influence is the highest it goes), so cutting it down to 5 seems not so important. A little self-restraint is probably more effective. We've only played 5 years. When we have more Upper House avatars and people have had more time to get influence, I think it will be less noticable. And I personally think men like Quintus should have great influence.

If it is ok with people, Braden can be our first existing spy (currently in Sicily). Let's say you are a kind of "spymaster" who is tasked with various missions. YAKOBU can be the next diplomat we hire. If any Upper House member wants to be the second spy I just hired in Roma, shout out. It would be good if the people controlling this avatars give suggestions about their deployment to the First Consul. Players probably focus on the armies and may neglect agents.

**Tricky Lady** · 06-02-2006, 18:59

Originally Posted by econ21

Interesting, Braden - I was just thinking the same thing about seconding motions. OK, all motions must have a named Senator second them. I was even thinking about requiring two seconders - Senate debates seem so fractured, it would be good to encourage a little more coherence and collectivism. What do people think?

I think this is a good idea. So that's a "yes" from me

Originally Posted by econ21

If it is ok with people, Braden can be our first existing spy (currently in Sicily). Let's say you are a kind of "spymaster" who is tasked with various missions. YAKOBU can be the next diplomat we hire. If any Upper House member wants to be the second spy I just hired in Roma, shout out. It would be good if the people controlling this avatars give suggestions about their deployment to the First Consul. Players probably focus on the armies and may neglect agents.

: shout :
Well, I was thinking that perhaps for a long-time-not-playing-RTW player like me, it'd be more appropriate if I could control a less important character, such as, why not, a spy.
It's just that maybe someone more experienced wants to use the Titus avatar and run for consul?
Anyway, perhaps I should try & play a few turns in RTR and vanilla RTW to get into the game again. My last campaign dates from December 2005 if memory serves.

**Mount Suribachi** · 06-02-2006, 18:29

Originally Posted by Death the destroyer of worlds

At the moment a seleucid war elephant will kill around 120 hoplites at the moment of impact when charging head on. Oh, and they are so welarmoured they are practically unkillable. Let's just say that if we were playing as Parthia I would not have recommened using this beta just yet :)

Thats just ridiculous. I thought RTR was meant to be doing away with uber-units?

**Death the destroyer of worlds** · 06-02-2006, 18:49

Yes, and they will. The thing is that all cavalry were much too weak and so they increased their carge bonus in the latest EDU. But elephants are very strong and they are also counted as cavalry and so their charge became immensely powerful. This will be fixed in the final EDU. Modding is easy. Getting the balance just right is incredibly difficult.