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    @Redleg: What you say is true - with freedom of speech comes responsibility. But if someone does any of these things:

    - shout fire in a club that is crowded so that you can enter?
    - call individuals of who happen to have pigment color of brown or black degrading names?
    - call for the death of anyone who happens to be a jew?
    - state that Nancy Drew (insert any name instead) is a homosexual when there is no proof that she is?

    ...should they be arrested and sentenced as criminals for it? Because then you're not talking about free speech with responsibility, but free speech restricted by laws. While I agree none of those things should be said, and perhaps not even allowed to be said (if it's possible to make a proper law against it that doesn't ruin the other free speech abilities), it's necessary to find an exact phrasing of what such statements have in common and makes them punishable, and what differs them from other statements, if you are to have laws - and punishments - for them. So the questions I'd like to ask you are the following:
    1. do you think it should be illegal to say any of those things?
    2. if yes, how should such a law be phrased, i.e. how can you in an exact way differ between an illegal and a legal statement. I personally find it difficult to find an exact enough phrasing that excludes all forms of responsible statements from being considered criminal and excludes all irresponsible statements from being considered legal (but that doesn't mean I'm against finding such a phrasing, on the contrary I'd be delighted to find one).
    3. do you think any forms of verbal protest against a government should be illegal, and if so, how would you define an illegal form of protest against a government?
    4. if it isn't allowed by the free speech principle to speak of violence against a government, while at the same time the government withdraws several democratic rights and increase things such as surveillance, it's a very dangerous thing to have rooted into the system that protesting merely in words (note: no action or real violence, only speaking of violence) against the government should be illegal. It's necessary for people to be able to speak warmly about violence against the government if the democratic system is falling apart. The American constitution even calls it a duty rather than a right to carry guns and if necessary use those overthrow any government that would be undemocratic.
    Last edited by Rodion Romanovich; 05-25-2006 at 19:14.
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