BI Expert Qn : How to increase Loyalty ?

**AndyNgFL** · 05-25-2006, 06:22

How come your Generals' Loyalty drops over time ?
Do you experience Loyalty problems playing as Romans ?
Do your Generals' Loyalty drop as he gain more victories in battle ?

How to increase your Generals' Loyalty ?

**symball** · 05-25-2006, 14:09

some quick answers.
loyalty drops as the general gets more famous and starts thinking that they could do the job better.
yes many people do suffer problems- it is easy to lose your veteran legion in the middle of a campaign because of it.
Yes I think it is success in battle or being dropped as an heir that triggers drops in loyalty.

and there are only two ways of increasing loyalty losing badly in battle (not reccomended!) or being given a title (you can get given these if they are not currently assigned under certain conditions) or they can be transferred between generals as ancilliaries. Resisting bribes might also give loyal traits but I'm not sure about this one and it isn't really a good idea to find out using a good general.

**econ21** · 05-25-2006, 14:13

Yes, generals' loyalty will eventually get ruined if they win too many victories.

There are some nice loyalty bonuses from offices of state, some of which can be combined (e.g. commander of cavalry and governor of Briton etc). These can give you a combined loyalty boost of up to 5 or so, which should be enough to mean your very best generals - the night fighters, the 5 star guys etc - remain loyal.

Aside from that, what I do is fight as much as possible with the faction leader and heir. Their loyalty will drop too. But according to player1, it does not matter - they never rebel. Makes sense.

**-Silent-Pariya** · 05-28-2006, 08:31

Your General will very rarely accept a bribe, and i have yet to see a family member ever rebel. No matter how bad his loyalty is. But if a general of yours has really low loyalty i would just take him and put him in a city closer to the heart of your empire whatever it might be. Let him run the city and die there.

**Keba** · 05-29-2006, 15:02

Originally Posted by econ21

Aside from that, what I do is fight as much as possible with the faction leader and heir. Their loyalty will drop too. But according to player1, it does not matter - they never rebel. Makes sense.

They do ... or at least, the faction heir does. I followed the logic that a faction leader and heir would not defect and attached my sole full-stack army to the faction heir (he was the better commander) ... who later defected, with my army, nearly dealing a death-blow to the Western Roman Empire.

**econ21** · 05-29-2006, 15:06

Originally Posted by Keba

They do ... or at least, the faction heir does.

That's worth knowing thanks. Has anyone had a faction leader who rebelled against himself?

**The Spartan (Returns)** · 05-29-2006, 15:10

Originally Posted by econ21

That's worth knowing thanks. Has anyone had a faction leader who rebelled against himself?

no. but it does say in the BI manual that faction leaders and heirs can rebel.

**AndyNgFL** · 06-05-2006, 06:04

I agree putting an army under the faction leader is a good move, it does nothing to increase the loyalty of your generals except to prevent an army from defecting. And, as WRE, you might be fighting in many fronts but you have only ONE faction leader.

**Avicenna** · 06-05-2006, 07:11

You can assign multiple offices, I've found out

Also, the heirs and leaders don't rebel, if you download a patch. 1.6 or player1's, I can't remember. Best to download both.

**AndyNgFL** · 06-06-2006, 09:37

Originally Posted by Tiberius

You can assign multiple offices, I've found out

You are right. In fact, aged retainer, praetorian guardsman, problem mother "retainers" can also increase loyalty. Wired though.

Is there any other way of increasing loyalty ?