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    I think the development of this is good because if a country like North Korea ever launched a primative nuke at us, we would able to shot it down. I understad it's useless against someone like Russia because of the newer technology and the sheer number they can fire.

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    Here is a site with information on the Missile Defense System:

    http://www.mda.mil/mdalink/html/mdalink.html
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    Ahem, what?

    I believe the U.S. is planning a European Defence System to shoot down missiles from the Middle East...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke Malcolm
    Ahem, what?

    I believe the U.S. is planning a European Defence System to shoot down missiles from the Middle East...
    I'm sorry, I assumed it was common knowledge. I'll edit my post to link you to a site with information.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ice
    I'm sorry, I assumed it was common knowledge. I'll edit my post to link you to a site with information.
    No, no, I was of the impression that the Missile Defence System was already in places. I wasn't sure if you were trying to say that you needed one, or trying to show that you should keep it. That's fine, though. The link is handy. Ta.
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    Default Re: Missile Defense System

    Does a US citizen who doesn't, never has, and doesn't plan on living in the USA ever count?

    Anyway, there's no need. America is a few trillion in debt, has the most powerful army in the world, is on its own on far away from any major powers and usually fights aggressive wars.
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    Ultimately such a system will be a necessity. I question the timing, the technology, and the sheer pork-ishness of the current attempt to create a missile defense system. Even controlled experiments have been mind-numbing failures. If we're going to sink hundreds of billions of dollars into a system, I would love to believe that we can make it work.

    So my vote is "waste of time," for now. Too expensive (currently), too unrealistic (currently), and too easy to spoof (currently).

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    in the future all wars will be low intensity conflicts with suitcase nukes, if any. this is a waste of time and money. i wonder how many bridges-to-nowhere in alaska are attached to any funding bills for this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by solypsist
    in the future all wars will be low intensity conflicts with suitcase nukes, if any. this is a waste of time and money. i wonder how many bridges-to-nowhere in alaska are attached to any funding bills for this?
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    Why should your eyes be rolling? He's right about the pork. Just a quick search turns up some beauties. Who knew that a $6 million subsidy for Hawaiian sugar cane growers was essential to the Missile Defense Program?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur
    Why should your eyes be rolling? He's right about the pork. Just a quick search turns up some beauties. Who knew that a $6 million subsidy for Hawaiian sugar cane growers was essential to the Missile Defense Program?
    Read the bold. That's quite a prediction.


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    Default Re: Missile Defense System

    I would agree that in case of a missle crisis, it would be good to have a defence system, but it seems we've already done quite a good job coming up with some.

    The U.S. Navy, in cooperation with the Missile Defense Agency, today successfully conducted a ballistic missile defense demonstration involving the intercept of a target missile in the terminal phase (the last few seconds) of flight
    Also, there are only a few countries we have to be worried about that would use missles against us. I wouldn't go as far as saying it's a complete waste of time and needs to be completely disbanded, but maybe direct some funding elsewhere maybe?


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    I'm a little tired to read all those topics right now but this issue has always annoyed me a bit. I think the Missile Defense System is great and should be done. I remember our Idiot Gov't at the time earlier said they didn't want a part of it and made a big deal with the Americans about it. Now they realize it's potential and are begging to get back in. I would like to have Canada under a shield. What's the big problem with it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_678
    What's the big problem with it?
    I'm having trouble tracking down the original article, but anyway, in The Boston Globe on May 11, 2000, two MIT physicists, David Wright and Theodore Postol, proposed some straightforward ways to defeat a missile defense shield. Among their proposals:

    • Delivering a biological agent in up to 100 "bomblets" carried on a single ICBM. At the moment of separation, they would overwhelm the NMD kill vehicle by sheer numbers.
    • Disguising a warhead by encasing it in a mylar balloon, and releasing a number of empty balloons as decoys.
    • Enclosing the warhead in a shroud cooled by liquid nitrogen, so it becomes invisible to the heat-seeking technology used by the kill vehicle.

    They concluded: "The reality is that any country that is capable of building a long-range missile and has the motivation to launch it against the United States would also have the capability and motivation to build effective countermeasures to the planned defense. To assume otherwise is to base defense planning on wishful thinking."

    If I can ever track down an online version of the full article, I'll post a link. (I grabbed the above quotes from a site I don't like much.)

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    I think the US should have other priorities, even when it comes to security.

    Mainly they should develop a system that inspects more than a small fraction of all cargo coming into our ports. That is a more immediate threat to us than missiles.
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    General Hanky, has it right.

    But, if you want to look seriously at the development of this starwars - umbrella - system. Then go to a barn. In each corner stand a friend with a slingshot, at the count of go each fire attempting to strike the others rock in mid-air. Now, consider that those rocks are needles and that the barn is 5 acres of land - and that you must hit the needle before it comes with in 50 yards of the surface.

    Star Wars is a scam. Just as the Nike missles were in the 50's; they gave us the warm fuzzys that our government was protecting us from something they couldn't (except through diplomacy - something the present administration has no clue about how to conduct). As far as effectiveness? I have yet to talk to an engineer that believes with todays (or the 24th centurys) technology that an effective MSD can be perfected.

    But, if it makes you feel good .... and makes some corporations richer - wtf.
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