Foreign Flags in the U.S.

[AwesomeArcher]

This goes along with the whole Illegal Immigration issue. I was visiting my cousins and aunt and uncle in Texas about a month ago. I saw some house with Mexican flags flying higher than the U.S. flag and some houses with just the Mexican flags flying. I also have seen on the news people waving mexican flags in support of Immigration. I can understand comming hear to get a better life, and the fact that the U.S. is based on both legal and illegal immigration, and maybe not being able to speak the english language perfectly. But if you are going to come hear and openly disrespect the country, i think you should go back and wave your flag in your own country.

[Uesugi Kenshin]

We often fly just a Norwegian flag from our balcony....

We have a tiny bit of Norwegian blood in us, but mostly fly it because we had an exchange student from there. Does that offend you as well?

[Csargo]

The only flag that I know of that can be flown as high as the US flag in the US is Texas. I dont know about any other flags of any other country. As for the Mexicans I could careless what they do if they want to disrespect the country that they came to for a better life that just shows how stupid they really are.

[Zalmoxis]

This goes along with the whole Illegal Immigration issue. I was visiting my cousins and aunt and uncle in Texas about a month ago. I saw some house with Mexican flags flying higher than the U.S. flag and some houses with just the Mexican flags flying. I also have seen on the news people waving mexican flags in support of Immigration. I can understand comming hear to get a better life, and the fact that the U.S. is based on both legal and illegal immigration, and maybe not being able to speak the english language perfectly. But if you are going to come hear and openly disrespect the country, i think you should go back and wave your flag in your own country.

If it's your home you have the right to wave any flag, there's really no other explanation required.

[spmetla]

There's no problem with foreign flags. Some people (myself included) take pride in their foreign birth and are happy to display it. So long as they are being displayed on private property no problem. If the foreign flag is being flown improperly they should be told to do otherwise (I mean in height, to the right of the speaker, etc..). It's flown by itself who cares. It doesn't mean allegiance to another country.

[ShadesWolf]

This goes along with the whole Illegal Immigration issue. I was visiting my cousins and aunt and uncle in Texas about a month ago. I saw some house with Mexican flags flying higher than the U.S. flag and some houses with just the Mexican flags flying. I also have seen on the news people waving mexican flags in support of Immigration. I can understand comming hear to get a better life, and the fact that the U.S. is based on both legal and illegal immigration, and maybe not being able to speak the english language perfectly. But if you are going to come hear and openly disrespect the country, i think you should go back and wave your flag in your own country.

If you lived in the UK you would be called a racist for saying that.
In the UK we arent even allowed to have the English/ UK flag up in areas because it might offend other people.

It is the world cup in a few weeks and local government building are not going to fly the English flag so not to offend.

It is so stupid

[spmetla]

Are foreigner's in Britain allowed to display their flags? It's stupid as it is but if you guys really fly your own flag while others wear shirts and fly flags off their cars with foriegn flags aren't allowed to do so.

Stupid 'progress'

[Duke of Gloucester]

If you lived in the UK you would be called a racist for saying that.

Most racists in the UK would make a similar argument about national flags, but I think, SW you could make the argument without being called a racist. Personally, I would wish to distance myself from racists by not making those arguments.

In the UK we arent even allowed to have the English/ UK flag up in areas because it might offend other people.

There is no law in the UK against flying the Cross of Saint George or the Union Flag. Of course there are UK cities where you would be unwise to fly the English flag because the offence it caused might put you at risk. For example:

















Glasgow, Cardiff etc.

It is so stupid

Rather than stupid, it is sad that the English flag has been appropriated by people who are racist. Let's reclaim it as a national, rather than an ethnic, symbol.

[ShadesWolf]

Define foreigner's

This is not to offend people that live in the UK. People that were born in the Uk.

All you have to do is go to a cricket match to see how many people support the country of their birth.

Football is slightly different, the problem is not the people (in most cases) its the authorities. They seem to think that the flaf upsets people, so we must not fly the flag. We still have to many 'do gooder' left wingers running the councils in England

I always remember, during the first gulf war, the college were I was studying purchasing at night school took all the UK flags down so not to offend any muslims in the local area. To me this type of response is problematic.

[ShadesWolf]

There is no law in the UK against flying the Cross of Saint George or the Union Flag. Of course there are UK cities where you would be unwise to fly the English flag because the offence it caused might put you at risk. For example:

















Glasgow, Cardiff etc.



Rather than stupid, it is sad that the English flag has been appropriated by people who are racist. Let's reclaim it as a national, rather than an ethnic, symbol.

I am not talking about Uk cities, I am talking about English cities. Therefore, we have no excuse for not flying the English flag in english city.

As far as Im concerend it should be flown from EVERY flag pole on every English council building. PERIOD.

It is totally stupid to say that in certain towns and areas of ENGLAND we cannot fly the flag.

[Pannonian]

Are foreigner's in Britain allowed to display their flags? It's stupid as it is but if you guys really fly your own flag while others wear shirts and fly flags off their cars with foriegn flags aren't allowed to do so.

Stupid 'progress'

The PC rubbish is much exaggerated. St George flags are omnipresent whenever England play. The Union flag is generally missing but only because it's the British flag, and there isn't a British team outside the Olympics (where it is indeed flown). The St Andrew and the Dragon are equally in evidence when Scotland and Wales play, with nary a hint of Englishness in the crowd (the Union flag is usually frowned on, the bearer threatened until it's taken down).

The Union flag is less visible nowadays than the constituent flags, partly because people feel it's been taken over by neo-fascists and partly because people feel more comfortable with tribalism as defined by their national sporting teams. When it does make an appearance, it's usually in connection with specific reference to the Union and not the Nation. Generally the British flag arouses more complaints from Scots and Welsh than from the PC brigade.

[ShadesWolf]

The PC rubbish is much exaggerated. St George flags are omnipresent whenever England play.

I totally disagree.

I am not talking about what people do, I am talking about local councils and governemt policy.

And the policy on the main is NO FLAGS from offical buildings or CARS.

This is an article from my local paper... (I want give the whole article just a few quotes.)

Patriotic truck drivers in our town have been banned by bosses from flying the flag during the world cup.............
For distric council employees, an unofficial ruling means the flags - already attached to authority vehivles must be removed immediately - It was felt that to display flags from council vehicles would be inappropriate
several councils across the country have also introduced unoffical rulings

AND WE ARE STILL OVER TWO WEEKS AWAY FROM THE FIRST MATCH.

[Major Robert Dump]

I don't really care anymore, because apparently I'm a racist.

[Tribesman]

Patriotic truck drivers in our town have been banned by bosses from flying the flag during the world cup.............
For distric council employees, an unofficial ruling means the flags - already attached to authority vehivles must be removed immediately - It was felt that to display flags from council vehicles would be inappropriate
several councils across the country have also introduced unoffical rulings

Thats outrageous , council workers are banned from decorating council vehicles . So I suppose that means the road-sweeper driver cannot put up a green party poster on the side of his cab , the dust cart driver cannot put a "no hand signals -driver masturbating" sticker on the back of the wagon .
Oh the horror , the oppression that these local government tyrants impose upon their employees .

What you really need Shades is a properly funded local authority program to ensure that all council vehicles fly properly approved flags during sporting occasions . It would be an appropriate waste of local tax revenue .
Though of course.....All you have to do is go to a cricket match to see how many people support the country of their birth.
....damn , thats a bit of a bugger isn't it , now you need to get some other flags , you wouldn't expect a Scottish dog warden in Hackney to put up with flying the St.Georges cross from his van instead of the St. Andrews one during the six nations would you . Just like you wouldn't expect an Indian Traffic Warden in Birmingham to have to stick a Union Flag in his hat rather than an Indian one during a Test Match .

[Duke of Gloucester]

All you have to do is go to a cricket match to see how many people support the country of their birth.

Good old Norman Tebbit's cricket test. In one sense, the cricket test does tell us something about how well integrated different ethnic groups are. It is worrying if 2nd, 3rd or 4th generations still support their ancestors' country rather than the adopted one. However I supsect that this tells us as much about how welcoming we are as it does about the willingness of people to adopt a new country. Besides, it's complex. I used to work with an Irishman who loved cricket. (He had moved to Liverpool when he was 8 and had played a lot at school and club level.) Like most Celts he used to enjoy English sporting failures, except cricket, where he would get even more annoyed than me about pathetic England performances. So here is a man who would support the opposition if England were playing football, but fanatically follow the cricket team. Integrated or not?

I am not talking about Uk cities, I am talking about English cities. Therefore, we have no excuse for not flying the English flag in english city.

Sorry to be nit-picking but what you originally said was (my bold text added):

In the UK we arent even allowed to have the English/ UK flag up in areas because it might offend other people.

As far as Im concerend it should be flown from EVERY flag pole on every English council building. PERIOD.

I am not sure why. If a council building is to fly a flag as a matter of course, surely it should be a flag with the arms of their district. Why St George's cross rather than the Union Flag or the EU flag? I can see why this should be encouraged on the 23rd April, but why on any other day?

This is an article from my local paper... (I want give the whole article just a few quotes.)

Quote:
Patriotic truck drivers in our town have been banned by bosses from flying the flag during the world cup.............
For distric council employees, an unofficial ruling means the flags - already attached to authority vehivles must be removed immediately - It was felt that to display flags from council vehicles would be inappropriate
several councils across the country have also introduced unoffical rulings

AND WE ARE STILL OVER TWO WEEKS AWAY FROM THE FIRST MATCH.

OK, that's stupid, if I understand it. I am not quite sure what "unofficial" means, though. No harm in truck drivers personalising their trucks with whatever national flag they want.

[ShadesWolf]

OK, that's stupid, if I understand it. I am not quite sure what "unofficial" means, though. No harm in truck drivers personalising their trucks with whatever national flag they want.

unoffical means that some do-gooder who is in the council is going around and telling them to take them down.

So if your boss said take that down, what would you do.

[Tribesman]

No harm in truck drivers personalising their trucks with whatever national flag they want.
Well the problem there is there are some real dickheads that get upset when their country loses , you know , little things like smashing up Pizza parlours if England lose to Italy .
Now how do you think a Tobagan driver would feel when he turns up for work on the 16th after a crushing defeat of England only to find that his council truck is trashed because it had a Trinidad Tobago flag on its roof ?

[ShadesWolf]

chip shops
Mcdonalds

you could take that argument to any extreme

[Dâriûsh]

This thread inspired me so much, I wish that I could fly an Imperial Iranian flag from my window.

I'll have to make do with a tiny little IRI flag though, or a prayer rug or something.

[Duke of Gloucester]

Well the problem there is there are some real dickheads that get upset when their country loses , you know , little things like smashing up Pizza parlours if England lose to Italy .
Now how do you think a Tobagan driver would feel when he turns up for work on the 16th after a crushing defeat of England only to find that his council truck is trashed because it had a Trinidad Tobago flag on its roof ?

Well true. What I really meant was that the truck driver was not causing any harm, though I accpet he might put himself at risk.

So if your boss said take that down, what would you do.

If my boss told me to take it down, then I would, but I would complain if he or she allowed other national flags to be flown. If a random do-gooder told me to take it down, I would refer them to my boss.

[ShadesWolf]

If my boss told me to take it down, then I would, but I would complain if he or she allowed other national flags to be flown. If a random do-gooder told me to take it down, I would refer them to my boss.

So if your Boss made up his mind that he thought it was unacceptable or unappropriate to have the flag you would take it down and not complain.

[Duke of Gloucester]

Yes, because he is my boss. Of course, if I thought he or she had a malicious motive, I would complain, but otherwise I would comply with his or her instructions, partly because I believe in structure and authority, but mostly because I expect the same from my subordinates.

[ShadesWolf]

Just interested - who do you work for ?

[Duke of Gloucester]

Being a teacher, I work for one of those local councils that upset you.

[Brenus]

Sorry, I just went to the shop and I saw a lot of pink (these flags made in China, the colour diluted under the rain, and even if we have a drought, it is an ENGLIH drought, it is raining EVERY day…) crosses every where.

[SwordsMaster]

I have a Brazilian flag flying off my window, and never had any trouble, or anyone complaining....

[ShadesWolf]

I will say this once again, because it seems you are not listening.

I am not talking about people, I am not talking about shops........etc

I am talking about mainly councils and some larger firms...........

[Keba]

I am talking about mainly councils and some larger firms...........

Where I'm from the local Council has three flags, the country flag, the local flag (county flag), and the flag of a different country, because of the minority (which is a very, very big minority, but still a minority, actually, that's why the local county has two official languages, which is one more than the rest of the country). Most goverment buildsings also have the EU flag on them, in addition to the country flag.

As far as private property is concered, there is no problem with it, as long as you do not do something particularly offensive or damaging both to others and the state (such as say, hanging the flag of a different country with a large board saying that that country stretches past that particular house, or somesuch).

[Tribesman]

I will say this once again, because it seems you are not listening.

I am not talking about people, I am not talking about shops........etc

I am talking about mainly councils and some larger firms...........

Yep , and do you think that the council should allow its drivers to decorate vehicles which are council property not the property of the driver in any way that the driver wants ?
Or do you want the council to regulate and supply at tax payers expense decorations for its vehicles during sporting events ?

[Marcellus]

I will say this once again, because it seems you are not listening.

I am not talking about people, I am not talking about shops........etc

I am talking about mainly councils and some larger firms...........

My local council building flies two Union Flags, two St George's Flags and two borough flags. Far from discouraging flag flying, it would appear that my local council's promoting it.