STW 2 instead of MTW 2

[AwesomeArcher]

Should the makers of the game have made a Shogun Total War II instead of a Medieval Total War II? I think they should have because Shogun was the first total war game to come out and it has a lot of room for improvement with all the new graphics and battle engines. What do you think?

[kburkert]

I dont really mind aslong as they make one later.

[Ibn Munqidh]

I would say no, no way, out of all the series, the one which had the best time period, setting, and case was medieval. The medieval era is the best era, and the lands surrounding the mediterranaen are the best for the game, due to many factors. Cultural clash, religious clash, racism, fundementalism, chivalry, honour, and utmost cruelty.

[Monk]

I would love an stw 2... on the condition they bring back the throne room and everything that set STW apart from MTW

[Lorenzo_H]

I think the Medieval period is a far better setting for Total War.

[kburkert]

But STW has a complete new style of game play.

[De' Medici]

I would say no, no way, out of all the series, the one which had the best time period, setting, and case was medieval. The medieval era is the best era, and the lands surrounding the mediterranaen are the best for the game, due to many factors. Cultural clash, religious clash, racism, fundementalism, chivalry, honour, and utmost cruelty.

Same here.

[Mikeus Caesar]

Duke John - while Nap era battles may be more interesting when it comes to tactics, the uneducated masses of mainstream gamers don't care. They want shiny graphics and large epic clashes, not 1000 men standing in lines facing each other shooting for two hours.

[Grifman]

Should the makers of the game have made a Shogun Total War II instead of a Medieval Total War II? I think they should have because Shogun was the first total war game to come out and it has a lot of room for improvement with all the new graphics and battle engines. What do you think?

It's irrelevant since they're not.

[sunsmountain]

Anyway, rest assured. There'll be a Shogun mod for M2:TW.

Just like there would be a Medieval mod for RomeTW, that i haven't found anywhere yet... (well, a good one anyway)

...by the time the modders fix the game, a new version is out. In essence, CA is just another good mod team. :)

[econ21]

In essence, CA is just another good mod team.

Please don't disparage CA. Good modders understand they can do nothing without the engines provided by CA. Standing on the shoulders of giants, so to speak.

[doc_bean]

Just like there would be a Medieval mod for RomeTW, that i haven't found anywhere yet... (well, a good one anyway)

...by the time the modders fix the game, a new version is out. In essence, CA is just another good mod team. :)

You don't like Chivalry TW ?

[Lord Adherbal]

In addition, shock cavalry was a key element of Napoleonic battles. Massed charges of heavy cavalry could sometimes wreck an enemy or, if the targets got into square in time, wreck the cavalry.

Most casualties were caused by fire, but IIRC more often by artillery than the lines of men with guns. The placement of artillery could be rather interesting - with horse artillery being able to unload right next to enemies (but also be very exposed to counter-fire) while troops might try to use reverse slopes or other cover to escape terrible mass bombardments.

Infantry fire tactics also evolved with heavy use of skirmishers. By the time of Waterloo, massed formations appeared so vulnerable to enemy fire, most of the day was probably spent skirmishing until critical moments when assaults were attempted.

aye, all that is taken into account in NTW2.
close range musket fire is deadly and will rout or destroy units in a few volleys. So you can't just march your line in front of the enemy army and start shooting. Half your army will be dead before you get there. Terrain is very important (we're only using custom made battlemaps, not campaignmap locations) because it offers cover and bonuses to both the defender and attacker. Cavalry is deadly when it can catch isolated units, but will take severe casualties against solid bodies of infantry and close range musket fire. Artillery can decimate anything that isn't protected by hill or building, and close range cannister (basicly a huge shotgun) fire is deadly. But light infantry is difficult to hit and they can snipe your art crews if you place them in the front rank. Thus you need your own light infantry to keep the enemy's at bay. But light infantry is vulnerable to a quick cavalry charge, so you have to keep your own cavalry or line infantry close. But don't leave let them leave the protection of hills for too long or they will become a cannonball magnet.
I assure you, nap warfare is far from a simple "line up and fire"

[tutankamon]

Personally i would have loved to se a Bronce Age: Totalwar, Instead of STW 2 or MTW 2... but perhabs that'll come..