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Hurin_Rules 19:17 05-28-2006
It's all very clear to me know, thanks FoxNews!:

Originally Posted by :
Friday, May 26, 2006
By Neil Cavuto
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Newspapers and magazines characterized him a buffoon. Said he couldn't handle a war, let alone choose men to lead that war.

His own generals second-guessed him. One even ignored him. His economy was in shambles. And his electorate was enraged.

Folks were sharply divided. How did we get into this war? Just how badly are we handling this war?

There was a point when he looked like a doomed one-termer, and despite being re-elected, looked like he'd be, at best, a problem-plagued second-termer.

Foreign nations didn't know what to make of him. His own party often seemed to have its fill him.

His speeches were ignored at the time. His rambling, private musings the stuff of press fodder at the time. He was a dolt, a charlatan, a country bumpkin, ridiculed for telling stories on the stump, but leaving reporters, well, just stumped.

A different world then. Abraham Lincoln then.

Different view now. Abraham Lincoln now.

I'm not smart enough to suggest a present day president can hope for the same historical turnaround.

I am smart enough to say the headlines, and cartoons, of the moment, can look kind of silly themselves.

Funny thing, history.

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Well, I guess Cavuto does have one thing right: he's 'not smart enough'.

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Silver Rusher 19:24 05-28-2006
I'm sorry, I don't understand. What connection does he have with Abraham Lincoln?

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Hurin_Rules 19:33 05-28-2006
Originally Posted by Silver Rusher:
I'm sorry, I don't understand. What connection does he have with Abraham Lincoln?
They're both male. They both have heads and eyes. I think they both wore black pants once. Lots of things, can't you see?

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KukriKhan 19:49 05-28-2006


When he does the hat, whiskers, and long coat... and writes his own speeches on the back of envelopes - then we'll talk.

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The_Doctor 20:31 05-28-2006
Originally Posted by :
I'm sorry, I don't understand. What connection does he have with Abraham Lincoln?
They both dropped their dog out of a helicopter?

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edyzmedieval 21:12 05-28-2006
Originally Posted by The_Doctor:
They both dropped their dog out of a helicopter?


Good one. Still, what's so similar about them?

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Abokasee 07:54 05-29-2006
Originally Posted by KukriKhan:


When he does the hat, whiskers, and long coat... and writes his own speeches on the back of envelopes - then we'll talk.


there you go now we can get back to subject!

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Mithras 21:11 05-28-2006
Originally Posted by Hurin_Rules:
They're both male. They both have heads and eyes. I think they both wore black pants once. Lots of things, can't you see?

They're both Republicans? They're supported by the North and celebrated for their defence of minorities who are treated like dirt despite the conventional veiws of the time veiws. Lincoln with blacks Bush with gays.

enough sarcasm they've got very little in common. fox,Stop kissing his ass guys

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R'as al Ghul 10:57 05-31-2006
Originally Posted by Silver Rusher:
I'm sorry, I don't understand. What connection does he have with Abraham Lincoln?
Well, they are the same person.
Think about it, have you ever seen them together on one photograph?

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Major Robert Dump 11:12 05-31-2006
I have one grandma who had family die in Andersonville who hates Bush and hates the south and loves Lincoln and is a Democrat

And one grandma from Georgia who hates Lincoln and REALLY hates Sherman and loves Bush and wont eat at McDonalds because black people touch her food and is a Democrat

Makes for interesting Thanksgivings

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yesdachi 19:41 05-31-2006
Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump:
I have one grandma who had family die in Andersonville who hates Bush and hates the south and loves Lincoln and is a Democrat

And one grandma from Georgia who hates Lincoln and REALLY hates Sherman and loves Bush and wont eat at McDonalds because black people touch her food and is a Democrat

Makes for interesting Thanksgivings
I would pay to sit at that dinner table!

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PanzerJaeger 21:26 05-31-2006
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Well, that's easy to say, because you can never be called on it. But I am struggling to think of anything for which he will be fondly remembered. Massive budget deficits? Expanding the size of the government? Initiating constitutional crisis? Undermining human rights? Dividing the nation? Starting elective wars?

What's going to make us forget about all that?
And what would Lincoln have been fondly remembered for in 1865? America was not in a good place at that point. Only a bit later people realized how bad things could have been had his policies not been implemented.

Remember, most people, northern and southern, did not think freeing the africans was monumental or a good idea. It was only tolerated in the north as it was seen as a weapon against the south. They had no love for blacks either.

Today - if opinion polls are correct - most people dont think trying to bring democracy to the mideast is worth it. However, if we stay the course and in 20 years that region is completely transformed for the better - who will get the credit?

Also Bush has done things for the economy and other aspects of the nation that have the potential to be very positive in the long run.

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Hurin_Rules 21:31 05-31-2006
Originally Posted by PanzerJager:
And what would Lincoln have been fondly remembered for in 1865?
Winning the war.

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Kralizec 21:36 05-31-2006
Originally Posted by PanzerJager:
Remember, most people, northern and southern, did not think freeing the africans was monumental or a good idea.
The blacks themselves? They no doubt approved back then, and still do now. The Iraqi's don't seem to like how their liberation is turning out, and how they'll think about it in 2 or 3 decades is still guesswork. I concede that if Iraq turns out allright, he should get due credit.

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Lemur 21:42 05-31-2006
Originally Posted by PanzerJager:
However, if we stay the course and in 20 years that region is completely transformed for the better - who will get the credit?
Why is it that people who call themselves conservatives -- who supposedly distrust government power and expect all good and efficient things to come out of the marketplace -- suddenly become can-do big-government activists when it comes to nation-building in the mideast? Where does this transformation of ideology and character come from?

I don't trust the government to screw in a lightbulb without incompetence and graft. Why would I expect the same damn government to be whizzo at building democracies in hostile environments?

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