What M2TW Expansion Do You Want?

[Vladimir]

Total War:The Rise of Islam. I have always wanted to see this played out. It’s just a perfect setting: Byzantium is on the verge of reforming the empire, the de facto Western Empire has fallen but the de jure Empire remains. Although I’m no fan of Roman and Byzantine style politics I would like to try to react against the lighting fast spread of Islam and reform the Byzantine army/government. It was the rise of Islam which closed the Mediterranean to all but a few Italian merchant states and plunged Europe into the Dark ages. As Byzantium you’d have to watch while your non-core states brake away and Musulman fleets threaten your capitol. After all, how long did it take Europe to push back the tide in Iberia? It’s just too exciting: fast paced invasion, a weakened Byzantium, the upstart monarchies in Europe, all before the Church acquired the dominance we see in the Medieval period.

If CA doesn’t make this expansion I would love to help create it. I’m sure our neglected Total Warriors in Eastern Europe and Muslim states would appreciate it as well.

[sunsmountain]

Vladimir, you mean you would like to play Rome:TW: Barbarian Invasion? If i'm not mistaking, you can play as the Eastern Romans and fight the Sassanid Empire!

That's before the church takes control of europe, as we will have the pope again in MTW2. An expansion pack isn't going to remove the pope, and if it is, well... perhaps. RTW graphics can use a an upgrade as well of course, but i think you will agree Shogun graphics need it more!

[Ibn Munqidh]

For the rise of Islam: total war, I have the perfect idea. The great Ummayad Empire, much larger and powerful than the Romans ever were, but only survived 92 years, constant internal strife and dissidence being the main factor.

[magnum]

Hoping not to see Viking Invasion as the expansion. While I enjoyed the original VI, it just seems to limited in scope and variety to interest me enough to fork over cash for a second version of it.

I'd prefer to see a Dark Ages and/or Islam Expansion. CA might possibly be able to combine them depending on the number of factions required. Probably be more realistic to not combine them in terms of game design. In that case either would be interesting to me.

As far as the next TW? Since the redesign the basic game engine every other TW (which means the next TW would be from scratch.) I think this would be the perfect time to introduce the Total War series to gunpowder combat. Can't think of a better time period to do that then the Napoleonic Wars. Lots of other conflics during that time period which could be used for an expansion.

Of course if CA really really doesn't want to play with gunpowder for the next TW, then something around the Seven Kingdoms time frame (i.e. China) would be interesting I think. Seven Kingdoms would be my second choice though. Napoleonic would be my prefered.

[Ibn Munqidh]

I'd prefer to see a Dark Ages and/or Islam Expansion. CA might possibly be able to combine them depending on the number of factions required. Probably be more realistic to not combine them in terms of game design. In that case either would be interesting to me.

The arab expansions occured during the time of the dark ages of europe. so that would fit in nicely as an expansion. I just hope I do not see another VI expansion. CA HEAR US!

[The Spartan (Returns)]

Fooey... I voted anything as long as no gunpowder.

Three of these choices (Rome2, Shogun2, Napoleonic) are NOT going to happen as an expansion. Those are full games. So the poll is a bit silly (IMO). And it leaves out what I think is the most logical expansion pack: Pirates of the Caribbean!

Seriously... if you have a foothold in the Americas, then why not an expansion pack that extends the game into the next colonial period in that area? It's ideal because you'd still need to hold your territories in Europe, as well as compete economically and militarily in the Americas. Of course the ship combat would suck, unless they really start working on a tactical sea combat engine.

if you chosen Rome2 or Shogun2 then it counts as a full game. read the first post of this thread. (mine)

[B-Wing]

Without reading the other replies, I'd like to see an expansion set during the Viking Age, but not limited to the British Isles. Rather, it would be like RTW's BI, which used the same map as the normal campaign, but had different factions and region boundaries. A unified Viking faction, while terribly unrealistic, would be tons of fun. Magyars would also be a must.

[AwesomeArcher]

Yes, i think STW 2 would be a good game, i assume you got the idea from my thread? With all the new technology from MTW and RTW, Shogun would be awesome.

[scorillo]

I want Rome 2 because I will love to see different armour and uniforms at the same unit type and blooded ones at those who fight
Not to mention the different AI and diplomacy that will be in MT2....i want that in RTw2

[AwesomeArcher]

I want Rome 2 because I will love to see different armour and uniforms at the same unit type and blooded ones at those who fight
Not to mention the different AI and diplomacy that will be in MT2....i want that in RTw2

It would be kind of cool yes, but why would you remake a whole game and not change the unit types, perhaps a mod would be better for a RTW 2? You could have all of your different armour and uniforms, and you could mod the diplomacy a bit.

[Vladimir]

Vladimir, you mean you would like to play Rome:TW: Barbarian Invasion? If i'm not mistaking, you can play as the Eastern Romans and fight the Sassanid Empire!

That's before the church takes control of europe, as we will have the pope again in MTW2. An expansion pack isn't going to remove the pope, and if it is, well... perhaps. RTW graphics can use a an upgrade as well of course, but i think you will agree Shogun graphics need it more!

No, not quite, in less the expansion begins at 600 A.D. and ends before 1000. My understanding of BI is that it concerns the Huns and various other invaders that threatened the old order and feasted upon a dying Rome.

[B-Wing]

No, not quite, in less the expansion begins at 600 A.D. and ends before 1000. My understanding of BI is that it concerns the Huns and various other invaders that threatened the old order and feasted upon a dying Rome.

You are correct. BI features three religions: paganism, Christianity, and Zoraostaism (probably misspelt). No Islam. It starts sometime in the 300's A.D.

I like the idea of an expansion pack set during that time period (Islam's rise). I wonder if it would be necessary to enlarge the map to include more of the Arabian peninsula. Kind of hard to imagine an expansion focused around the spread of Islam without Mecca or at least Medina.

I'd still really like to see a grand campaign (that is, full map, not limited to a smaller region) that starts during the Viking Age, too .

[Mount Suribachi]

No no no Crusader INVASION : Total War, can't forget that important word

MTW was originally called Crusader: Total War, but the name was considered too politically incorrect and was changed to Medieval.

For an expansion I would like to see Reformation: Total War.

For the next full game it simpy has to be Napoleonic: Total War

[Martok]

Hey, where's the "GAH!" option?? [mock sigh]

Well minus that, I voted for "I dont care as long as it has no gunpowder in it." With the exception of mortar and cannons for siege battles, I don't think firearms lend themselves very well to the TW style of gaming. As a separate game, I would love to see Shogun 2. Not sure what I'd want in an expansion, although The Rise of Islam sounds kind of cool.

[Avicenna]

Hmm, what options are there?

So far, the trend is:
= Major power attacks, seemingly unstoppable
= Set after the original timeframe
= NEW FACTION(S) are the threat

So, let's see the current suggestions.
= Crusaders:
- Those factions are already in the game
- Crusaders most definitely were stoppable
- Doesn't the game begin at the crusading era?
= Islam
- Started spreading before M2TW
- Are already in the game
= Dark Ages
- No unstoppable power really
- The hordes that started the Dark Age were unstoppable, and are already represented in Barbarian Invasion.
- Set before the original
= Some kind of gunpowder era
- Guns just don't work that well with TW does it?
- It's way back from the TW era
- Blitzes would be too easy since transportation would be easier and it'd be more advanced
= America (My Idea)
- Set after the original era [tick]
- New faction [tick]
- Sadly, not exactly unstoppable [cross]

[Kralizec]

= Dark Ages
- No unstoppable power really
- The hordes that started the Dark Age were unstoppable, and are already represented in Barbarian Invasion.

A dark age expansion would probably center around the islamic conquests. The problem I see is that the only other viable faction I can think of is the Frankish kingdom. If Karl Martel didn't beat the Moors at Poitiers, the muslims would have overrun Europe because there was no other power that could possibly stop them.

[ivoignob]

Hmm, what options are there?

So far, the trend is:
= Major power attacks, seemingly unstoppable
= Set after the original timeframe
= NEW FACTION(S) are the threat[cross]

Actually Viking Invasion was set before the original time frame. Thus a rise of islam expanison is considerable.

[Zalmoxis]

They would probably try to name it like the other expansions, so keep it with a creative Invasion at the end of a name. EX: Ummayadan Invasion, Islamic Invasion, etc.

[Ibn Munqidh]

I would hope to see a CA member contribute to this thread.

I personally see that european based expansions have been concentrated on alot, and shogun is an entirely new game, not an expansion, I would like to see the middle east focused upon abit, in an expansion called "Rise of Islam", or "Arabian Conquests" or "Ummayad Empire".

[doc_bean]

They would probably try to name it like the other expansions, so keep it with a creative Invasion at the end of a name. EX: Ummayadan Invasion, Islamic Invasion, etc.

I honestly don't see them doing an Islam Invasion considering the sensitivity about anything Islam in Europe these days. I even doubt they'd go for Ottoman invasion. My money is still on American Invasion.

[ivoignob]

The territory expanding of the ottomans wasn't exactly an "invasion" by the way. Invasions left ruins behind them, ottomans didn't. The same counts for islam.

[The Spartan (Returns)]

for an expansion id like a M2:TW VI2

[Ibn Munqidh]

The idea of expanding the "range" of the expansion makes for a better game I think. Something like VI:TW, would only focus on scandinavia, the british isles, and probably northern france. Ottoman Invasion would only focus on Anatolia, and Southern/Eastern Europe.

However, something like Umayyad Empire:TW, or Napoleonic:TW, would focus on the entire area around the meditteranean, and that would make for a better game all in all.

[Zalmoxis]

The territory expanding of the ottomans wasn't exactly an "invasion" by the way. Invasions left ruins behind them, ottomans didn't. The same counts for islam.

I was gonna say something like that about the Islamic one, but I got lazy, sorry.

[BHCWarman88]

30 Year War..

[Divine Wind]

If they made a couple of expansions, and Shogun 2 was included, my father and I, would be very content indeed.

[Alim]

Umayyad Invasion would be great. Or perhaps we could have MTW2:Mongol Invasion 2? An expasion that would deal with Mongol invasion under Ghengis Khan of China, Persia, India etc.

[Ibn Munqidh]

If they made a couple of expansions, and Shogun 2 was included, my father and I, would be very content indeed.

If there is to be Shogun 2, it should be a new game, not an expansion, as the setting and date differs alot from the potential mother game, MTW2

[AwesomeArcher]

If there is to be Shogun 2, it should be a new game, not an expansion, as the setting and date differs alot from the potential mother game, MTW2

yea, the original could be improved so much. A shogun 2 would be awesome with all the new graphics and engines.

[Dooz]

I think the only logical expansion would be the Americas: Total War. Pretty much picking up where the discovery of the new world in the original campaign leaves off. More colonial units and such, playing in a map of the American continents. Yep... that'd be pretty nice...

I would love to see a Rome 2 though, although that's probably better left for the modders.