Awful Heirs

**El Diablo** · 05-30-2006, 03:02

Having played the Danes a few times (granted on easy/easy and Vanilla MTW), I have been appalled at the quality of most of the heirs produced.

My usual tactic is to immediatly take Sweden then fortify till I get some decent trade income going. Once that is about up and running, bribe Norway for the additional troops and then start on rebel provinces (Scotland, Ireland, Baltic states, etc.) till some poor fool attacks me.

However the heirs produced seem a poor buch of miscreants. Gluttons, perverts, dishonest and mad are unfortunatly the norm. Whilst some have great command stats and the vices can be amusing in small doses, when EVERYONE is a sicko that can be a bit disheartening.

Whats wrong with the Danish genepool??? (no offence intended to genuine Scandies, as just the royal family is in question here!!)

Is there anyway to remedy this??? I try to marry off my princess and actively pursue other factions princesses (although with 30% of my heirs being gay I am not sure why I bother!!!)

Do other player kill off unsuitable heirs??? Be it with suicidial charges or the assassins blade???

**El Diablo** · 05-30-2006, 03:04

Just remembered - the "best" vice set I had was something like..

"Homosexual" combined with
"Womaniser" or whatever the one is when you are sleeping with another nobels wife.

That man is confused!!!

**Papewaio** · 05-30-2006, 03:52

How is the semi-colon of the south pacific ; ? (I'm a West Islander... a Kiwi in Aus).

Anyhow, generally you will get vices from having too much cash and sitting around doing nothing.

Best thing to do is keep the best 5 members of your royal family (I assume this is MTW). Take your worst 2 and send them off on a tour of europe. Depending on how you feel about them you can give them a decent army or not. It makes them useful for missions where you think you might win it but don't want to sacrifice a decent leader. If they keep on winning they actually may become useful. Rotate them out once they are no longer the worst 2. If they die it is not a bad thing, it just opens up a spot for another male heir to come through on.

**Ludens** · 05-31-2006, 20:00

Originally Posted by Papewaio

Anyhow, generally you will get vices from having too much cash and sitting around doing nothing.

IIRC in M:TW is was high taxation caused vices and not huge amounts of money. Otherwise I agree: if you wanted good characters, go to war. A militarily succesful king increases the general level of competence amongst all his subordinates. I assume this is related to high influence, so you need to be expansionistic. Culling weak branches of the royal family, especially when they are set to inherit, also help you increase the potential of your dynasty.

**The Stranger** · 05-31-2006, 22:18

it annoyes me that a 8 star general can produce a zero star heir. after you stop expanding your heirs start to suck. and i hate it.

is there a way to mod the frequency a vice or virtue appears in MTW like you could do in RTW. cuz im really going to turn the pride vice off. every time you put a 3 star in command of a big army it gets that stupid vice. every single one of them and it *****

for the record. the campaign that i really had that. i was filthy rich but all the taxes were very low and i wasnt expanding anymore but i owned the OTTOMAN EMPIRE at its largest extend as good as you can simulate it with MTW. my kings influence was at its highest as were his dread and acumen.

**Ludens** · 06-01-2006, 13:40

Originally Posted by The Stranger

is there a way to mod the frequency a vice or virtue appears in MTW like you could do in RTW. cuz im really going to turn the pride vice off. every time you put a 3 star in command of a big army it gets that stupid vice. every single one of them and it *****

I am afraid there is no known way to alter vices in M:TW. The only thing you can do is change their name and description.