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    Default Florida Teen Saves Family With Gun Training and Pistol

    From here.

    The important bit:
    Hollywood teen shoots intruder after father says on phone, `Do what you have to do'
    Hollywood · Javaris Granger wished his father was there instead of him.

    His father was on the phone, urging Granger, 15, to get the gun they used for shooting practice. "Do what you have to do," his father said.

    Granger did. He aimed the gun and fired at the violent intruder.

    Family and friends are awed by Granger's bravery. "Anyone who takes charge like that is definitely a hero," said Maxine Chandler, his mother.
    If any of what are called 'reasonable' laws by anti-gunners were in effect here, like not being able to buy pistols, requiring all guns to be locked away from children, etc., the boy and his family would all be dead. Thank goodness they were not in England.

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    Hollywood · Javaris Granger wished his father was there instead of him.

    His father was on the phone, urging Granger, 15, to get the gun they used for shooting practice. "Do what you have to do," his father said.

    Granger did. He aimed the gun and fired at the violent intruder.

    Family and friends are awed by Granger's bravery. "Anyone who takes charge like that is definitely a hero," said Maxine Chandler, his mother.

    Before the McArthur High School freshman fired the gun, he kept a cool head and remembered his father's shooting and safety lessons during the chaos early Saturday morning.

    His father, Lyndon Chandler, had left the house to visit a friend at the hospital. His wife heard a knock at the door and, thinking it was her husband, opened it. A stranger grabbed at her; she pulled free and slammed the door.

    It was 3:30 a.m.

    Granger woke with a start, hearing his mother's frantic voice and something slamming against the front window.

    He ran out to the dark living room and saw his mother screaming as a man, cursing and muttering, threw a bicycle at the window.

    Granger yelled at the intruder to leave, while his mother called his father on the phone and handed it to her son. The stranger began turning the doorknob, intent on getting in the home.

    Within seconds, Granger ran into his parents' bedroom, found the safety box, unlocked it and loaded two guns for him and his mother. He ran back to the living room as the intruder threw a bicycle at the door and started kicking it in.

    His mother was too shaken to take a gun, so she ran to another bedroom where her daughters and visiting family members were hiding.

    "I was real scared and nervous, but I knew I had to stay focused on what I had to do because my mom and the kids were there," Granger said.

    The next moment the man kicked down the door and jumped into the living room, yards from Granger.

    "I didn't want to hurt anybody, so I fired off a warning shot," the ninth-grader said.

    The intruder didn't leave until four shots later.

    Since the incident, friends and family members have called to congratulate the modest teenager who didn't tell his story until news reports made it hard to hide. His three sisters call him brave, his dad is very proud of "the man of the house" and his mom says her family would have died if the man police later identified as Keil Jumper had laid hands on them.

    Jumper, 22, is in Memorial Regional Medical Center with two gunshot wounds. He has a string of arrests dating to 2001, including one for attacking a Seminole Reservation Police Officer the day before he allegedly broke into Granger's home.

    Granger does not face charges. The second oldest child in the family, he often goes to the range at Markham Park to practice shoot with his father. He was never a victim of crime before, but calmly went through all the gun safety steps his father taught him, even after one gun jammed after the first shot Saturday.

    He even locked up the guns after Jumper left, before he checked on his mother. "My husband tried to get everyone to learn the safety of a gun," Chandler said. "It paid off."


    I will not deny that guns can be used for bad purposes. But it is important to remember what anti-gunners want you to forget; guns are tools which can be used for good or evil. To infringe on the liberty of everyone because someone missuses a tool of any type is against the spirit of freedom.

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    Default Re: Florida Teen Saves Family With Gun Training and Pistol

    So... okay... great.

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    Default Re: Florida Teen Saves Family With Gun Training and Pistol

    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
    From here.

    The important bit:


    If any of what are called 'reasonable' laws by anti-gunners were in effect here, like not being able to buy pistols, requiring all guns to be locked away from children, etc., the boy and his family would all be dead. Thank goodness they were not in England.

    The whole story:
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Hollywood · Javaris Granger wished his father was there instead of him.

    His father was on the phone, urging Granger, 15, to get the gun they used for shooting practice. "Do what you have to do," his father said.

    Granger did. He aimed the gun and fired at the violent intruder.

    Family and friends are awed by Granger's bravery. "Anyone who takes charge like that is definitely a hero," said Maxine Chandler, his mother.

    Before the McArthur High School freshman fired the gun, he kept a cool head and remembered his father's shooting and safety lessons during the chaos early Saturday morning.

    His father, Lyndon Chandler, had left the house to visit a friend at the hospital. His wife heard a knock at the door and, thinking it was her husband, opened it. A stranger grabbed at her; she pulled free and slammed the door.

    It was 3:30 a.m.

    Granger woke with a start, hearing his mother's frantic voice and something slamming against the front window.

    He ran out to the dark living room and saw his mother screaming as a man, cursing and muttering, threw a bicycle at the window.

    Granger yelled at the intruder to leave, while his mother called his father on the phone and handed it to her son. The stranger began turning the doorknob, intent on getting in the home.

    Within seconds, Granger ran into his parents' bedroom, found the safety box, unlocked it and loaded two guns for him and his mother. He ran back to the living room as the intruder threw a bicycle at the door and started kicking it in.

    His mother was too shaken to take a gun, so she ran to another bedroom where her daughters and visiting family members were hiding.

    "I was real scared and nervous, but I knew I had to stay focused on what I had to do because my mom and the kids were there," Granger said.

    The next moment the man kicked down the door and jumped into the living room, yards from Granger.

    "I didn't want to hurt anybody, so I fired off a warning shot," the ninth-grader said.

    The intruder didn't leave until four shots later.

    Since the incident, friends and family members have called to congratulate the modest teenager who didn't tell his story until news reports made it hard to hide. His three sisters call him brave, his dad is very proud of "the man of the house" and his mom says her family would have died if the man police later identified as Keil Jumper had laid hands on them.

    Jumper, 22, is in Memorial Regional Medical Center with two gunshot wounds. He has a string of arrests dating to 2001, including one for attacking a Seminole Reservation Police Officer the day before he allegedly broke into Granger's home.

    Granger does not face charges. The second oldest child in the family, he often goes to the range at Markham Park to practice shoot with his father. He was never a victim of crime before, but calmly went through all the gun safety steps his father taught him, even after one gun jammed after the first shot Saturday.

    He even locked up the guns after Jumper left, before he checked on his mother. "My husband tried to get everyone to learn the safety of a gun," Chandler said. "It paid off."


    I will not deny that guns can be used for bad purposes. But it is important to remember what anti-gunners want you to forget; guns are tools which can be used for good or evil. To infringe on the liberty of everyone because someone missuses a tool of any type is against the spirit of freedom.

    Crazed Rabbit
    I agree. I'm glad this happened in a country where this kid wouldn't be looking at jail time for saving his family's life. If I am determined to break into someone's house (illegal) and rape (illegal) and kill (illegal) them, whether possessing a gun is legal or not will not effect me one bit. I'd only be breaking 4 laws instead of 3.

    Unfortunately that's not true for law abiding citizens who would have the right to defend themselves taken away. They most likely would not have any means of defense available which would give someone intending to do them harm (who obviously has no regard for the law in the first place, and would be armed whether it was legal or not if they wanted) a greater advantage.

    Most violent gun crime occurs with guns that are illegally aquired under current laws.

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    Default Re: Florida Teen Saves Family With Gun Training and Pistol

    "Toddler dies after accidental shooting":

    http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?S=2851455

    "11 year old accidentally shot by 16 year old brother":

    http://www.wboy.com/story.cfm?func=v...y&storyid=1523

    I won't provide a link for this next headline, because you have all seen the story:

    "Vice President of United States Accidentally Shoots Friend in Face"
    "What, have Canadians run out of guns to steal from other Canadians and now need to piss all over our glee?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball
    "Toddler dies after accidental shooting":

    http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?S=2851455

    "11 year old accidentally shot by 16 year old brother":

    http://www.wboy.com/story.cfm?func=v...y&storyid=1523

    I won't provide a link for this next headline, because you have all seen the story:

    "Vice President of United States Accidentally Shoots Friend in Face"


    Anyway, if anything good comes out of this, everyone can admit at least he fired warning shots. That was a very mature and sensible thing to do. Most intruders plan on only theft and if that was the case no one had to be hurt.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon


    Anyway, if anything good comes out of this, everyone can admit at least he fired warning shots. That was a very mature and sensible thing to do. Most intruders plan on only theft and if that was the case no one had to be hurt.


    Never fire a warning shot or try to wound em!

    1 they could come back with friends.

    2 Its harder to shoot to wound then shoot com (center of mass) and if he lives he could A sue you B come back after you.


    Also if doesn't respect your life, why respect his?


    Massad Ayood a gun law expert says no go on the warning shots, so i tend to side with him he knows his stuff!
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    *update*

    This is how we do it in lalaland. Guy comes home, finds burglar, burglar grabs knife, guy grabs knive, burglar aquires unnecesary ventilation and dies. Now is this self-defence thou ask, it would certainly seem so, nope, guy has to go to jail for manslaughter.

    Another fun one.

    Woman has big bad doberman. Burglar breaks into house. Doberman chews on burglar. Burglar is traumatised by this experience and needs someone with a beard and sandals. Burglar sues woman. Burglar wins. Why did he win? Well, the woman only had a 'I guard this place' warning on her frontdoor, the burglar however had entered trough the balcony, where she didn't have a warning. Woman has to pay burglar compensation for the harrowing experience he had to endure.

    You have the right to remain silent and pay taxes.
    Last edited by Fragony; 05-30-2006 at 13:20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball
    "Toddler dies after accidental shooting":

    http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?S=2851455

    "11 year old accidentally shot by 16 year old brother":

    http://www.wboy.com/story.cfm?func=v...y&storyid=1523

    I won't provide a link for this next headline, because you have all seen the story:

    "Vice President of United States Accidentally Shoots Friend in Face"
    These are usually products of negligence on behalf of the aprents.


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    Luckily for the family, the attacker didn't had (or used) a gun in response.
    We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?

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    Warning shots ARE irresoponsible and dangerous. If you are in a situation that rquires you use a gun in self defense, you need to shoot to kill, not fire a warning shot or try to wing the guy

    Anyway, acts of guns being used in self defense are largely ignored by the media, and certain "statistics" based on studies fail to mention certain mitigating factors or explanations, like the one that says people with a gun in the home are 100 times more likely to die from a gunshot. Thanks God for the NRA
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    So why didn't she call the police first?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papewaio
    So why didn't she call the police first?
    Probably because when one panics they call the person they normally call when they have an issue on something.

    When people react to stress and panic one can never predict exactly what they are going to do.
    O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean

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    Is this supposed to be convincing, Rabbit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joker85
    Most violent gun crime occurs with guns that are illegally aquired under current laws.
    Doesn't that just prove the point? Or would you rather these people legally acquire their firearms?

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    Ah, thanks Rabbit.

    Finally, complete and irrefutable proof as to why no-one ever suffers violent crime in the USA, whereas we in Europe groan under constant rapine and aggravated burglary.

    It is all so clear to me now.

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