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    New study points to Canadian health care as part of the cause:

    Study: Americans sicker than Canadians
    Co-author calls national health insurance a factor

    Wednesday, May 31, 2006 Posted: 0144 GMT (0944 HKT)
    ATLANTA, Georgia (AP) -- You can add Canadians to the list of foreigners who are healthier than Americans.

    Americans are 42 percent more likely than Canadians to have diabetes, 32 percent more likely to have high blood pressure, and 12 percent more likely to have arthritis, Harvard Medical School researchers found.

    That is according to a survey in which American and Canadian adults were asked over the telephone about their health.

    The study comes less than a month after other researchers reported that middle-aged, white Americans are much sicker than their counterparts in England.

    "We're really falling behind other nations," said Dr. Steffie Woolhandler, a co-author of the Canadian study.

    Canada's national health insurance program is at least part of the reason for the differences found in the study, Woolhandler said. Universal coverage makes it easier for more Canadians to get disease-preventing health services, she said.

    James Smith, a RAND Corp. researcher who co-authored the American-English study, disagreed. His research found that England's national health insurance program did not explain the difference in disease rates, because even Americans with insurance were in worse health.

    "To me, that's unlikely," he said of the idea that universal coverage explains international differences.

    Woolhandler said her findings were different in at least one important respect: In the Canadian study, insured Americans and Canadians had about the same rates of disease. It was the uninsured Americans who made the overall U.S. figures worse, she said.

    The study, released Tuesday, is being published in the American Journal of Public Health. It is based on a telephone survey of about 3,500 Canadians and 5,200 U.S. residents in 2002-03. Those surveyed were 18 or older.

    The results are based on what those surveyed said about their health. In contrast, the researchers in the American-English study surveyed participants and also examined people and conducted laboratory tests on them.

    The new study found that 6.7 percent of Americans and 4.7 percent of Canadians reported having diabetes; 18.3 percent and 13.9 percent, respectively, reported having high blood pressure; and 17.9 percent and 16.0 percent said they had arthritis.

    The Americans also reported more heart disease and major depression, but those difference were too small to be statistically significant.

    About 21 percent of Americans said they were obese, compared with 15 percent of Canadians. And about 13.5 percent of the Americans admitted to a sedentary lifestyle, versus 6.5 percent of Canadians. However, more Canadians were smokers -- 19 percent, compared with about 17 percent of Americans.

    About 42 percent of the Americans rated their quality of health care as excellent, while 39 percent of Canadians did.

    Also, 92 percent of American women said they had a Pap test within the last five years, while 83 percent of Canadian women had. But Canadians have lower death rates from cervical cancer. "It's a little hard to interpret," Woolhandler said.

    One more plus for the Americans: Fewer than 1 percent said they were unable to get needed care because of long waits, compared with 3.5 percent of Canadians.

    However, about 80 percent of Americans had a regular doctor, while 85 percent of Canadians did. And nearly twice as many Americans said there were medicines they needed but couldn't afford (9.9 percent versus 5.1 percent).

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    Well no kidding. Universal health care that obtains its advances and cheap prescriptions through the American capitalist market.

    It makes perfect sense. But consider if the United States did not have free market health care. The advances in medical science cost ungodly sums of money and are the direct product of competition and entrepreneurialism. If the United States had a government-only health care system, the health of the world would stagnate.

    So, I do see the benefit of a costly bureaucratic government-run health care. I just see the benefits of a free market system as superior. And I do admit that our system requires tweaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurin_Rules
    New study points to Canadian health care as part of the cause:

    Well then they would be wrong - this particular statistic is the most likely cause.

    Quote Originally Posted by article posted by Hurin
    About 21 percent of Americans said they were obese, compared with 15 percent of Canadians. And about 13.5 percent of the Americans admitted to a sedentary lifestyle, versus 6.5 percent of Canadians. However, more Canadians were smokers -- 19 percent, compared with about 17 percent of Americans.
    Then you might want to pay attention to the sentences just below that one...

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    About 42 percent of the Americans rated their quality of health care as excellent, while 39 percent of Canadians did.

    Also, 92 percent of American women said they had a Pap test within the last five years, while 83 percent of Canadian women had. But Canadians have lower death rates from cervical cancer. "It's a little hard to interpret," Woolhandler said.
    It seems that the Canadian Health Care system is not the cause of Americans being sicker then Canadians. Most likely its the factor that our obesity rate is higher along with the more sedentary lifestyle makes for a bad combination for one's health.
    O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean

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    I'm not sure how the competition argument factors in here, at least when it comes to drugs. I mean, the drug companies still compete with one another in Canada-- the fact that everyone's drugs are paid for (partly) by the goverment shouldn't eliminate that, should it?

    Now, in terms of clinics and such, I think you have a good point.
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    I seem to remember this thread or topic has already been posted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
    I seem to remember this thread or topic has already been posted.
    I think the last time it was the Brits that were healthier

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    Yea,Drink Wine every Day,that should work well :-) :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
    I think the last time it was the Brits that were healthier
    Probably, its hard to keep up with all the "We're better than America", "USA sucks because", and "Americans are stupid" threads. I guess if it makes you feel better about your position in the world, go for it. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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    But consider if the United States did not have free market health care. The advances in medical science cost ungodly sums of money and are the direct product of competition and entrepreneurialism. If the United States had a government-only health care system, the health of the world would stagnate.
    Riiiight. Because the NHS doesn't pay for new drugs? It spent £10 billion in 2005-06, £7 bn branded, £3 bn generic.

    As for the reference to the health of the world stagnating without the US free market, I could contrast the sums spent on developing, say, antimalarials compared with the sums spent on lifestyle drugs like viagra and "cures" for makle pattern baldness, but as Viagra was developed in the stagnant UK I won't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
    Probably, its hard to keep up with all the "We're better than America", "USA sucks because", and "Americans are stupid" threads. I guess if it makes you feel better about your position in the world, go for it. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

    Yeah I know,but they can get a good workout on Friendly Lobby on RTW..

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