What stance do Orgahs take on Kent Hovind?

[Lorenzo_H]

He's a creationist (for all those who don't know, thats somebody who disproves evolution).

Here's a link to one of his debates. Hes a pretty convincing guy, if you ask me.

http://creationists.org/debates.html#hovindandmoore

[Redleg]

He's a creationist (for all those who don't know, thats somebody who disproves evolution).

Here's a link to one of his debates. Hes a pretty convincing guy, if you ask me.

http://creationists.org/debates.html#hovindandmoore

The problem is that creationism is a religious theory

Evolution theory is based upon scientific observations and a theory is developed from those observations.

Kind of hard to disprove a theory based soley upon lack of evidence.

[English assassin]

He's a creationist (for all those who don't know, thats somebody who disproves evolution).

Really? Heh, that IS news.

Wait. Can we set the parameters of this thread right now. Did you want a fact based discusssion in which the rival positions are subjected to the same level of critical scrutiny, and the theory which is, overall, the best explaination of all the facts, is the winner, at least until a more refined theory comes along?

Or did you want to tell us you believe in God?

Only getting that out in the open early doors could save us all a lot of time.

[Lorenzo_H]

The problem is that creationism is a religious theory

Evolution theory is based upon scientific observations and a theory is developed from those observations.

Kind of hard to disprove a theory based soley upon lack of evidence.

Evolution is also a religious theory. It hasn't been observed (definition of "Science"= something that can be tested through observation). Only micro-evolution can be proved.

[Lorenzo_H]

Oh man I'd love to argue with you all but I don't have time right now, unfortunartly.

[English assassin]

Evolution is also a religious theory. It hasn't been observed (definition of "Science"= something that can be tested through observation). Only micro-evolution can be proved

Bye bye

[R'as al Ghul]

Good move, English Assassin!

You've repulsed that attack with only 1 post.
But be careful, you may be ambushed when routing him from the field.

[Redleg]

Evolution is also a religious theory. It hasn't been observed (definition of "Science"= something that can be tested through observation). Only micro-evolution can be proved.

Trixs are for kids you silly rabbit.....

[Banquo's Ghost]

Evolution is also a religious theory. It hasn't been observed (definition of "Science"= something that can be tested through observation). Only micro-evolution can be proved.

Is that so?

*pause*

You know, I simply can't be bothered any more. Here's a pink elephant for you instead.

[Ironside]

I'll bite. If you wonder, this issue has been beaten to death about a few dozens times before.

Science is also to draw the simplest conclusion from the evidence presented in front of you. And is it proven that micro-evolution exists, fossiles exist, that all life is working on the same basic principles, you were born from your parents, they had in turn parents etc, etc.
All information taken together seems to indicate that primitive life existed first, and that more advanced life has occured later on, in a systematical way that makes you see the clear simularity between the parent and his/her great, great, great etc grandchild.
Now that means that either evolution is true or that either God, P'Tah, Odin, Zeus, the invisible Lepruchan living outside my door, the Flying Spaghetti monster, 11 dimentional Aliens, those aliens that are living in dead bodies playing around with our minds (by implementing false memories) trying to start to understand the human mind so that they can survive, your neighbours cat or those lab rats observing us as thier supercomputer known as earth is going to answer what's the question that the answer is 42 and how is it linked to the meaning of life, is responsible for one very intricate scam as they placed all those evidence around.
Science does not deal with this, as said, because science can't prove a negative. I can't disprove any of the things I wrote above, thus neither thing is science.

Now for the funny part IMO. An awful amount of creationists constantly makes the mistake of considering that proving (and that's often "proving") one part of a theory wrong means that the entire theory needs to be scapped for thier own theory, that contains no actual proof itself. I mean by writing this I've proven that BMW:s grows on trees .

So to conclude, proving that evolution is wrong still doesn't prove that God exist, in fact proving that divine creatures (aka gods) exist, still doesn't prove that God exist.

And the test for creationism to join the club of science, prove this: How can you prove that your neghbours cat isn't God?

[Duke Malcolm]

Kind of hard to disprove a theory based soley upon lack of evidence.

Don't get me wrong, I trust in evolution, but this just reminded me of what Athiests say when they argue with Theists; the former says "There is no evidence", thus the Athiesm theory is comparable to the Creationism "theory" in that respect...

But I digress, and have nothing other to say than perhaps Professor Richard Dawkins should be made compulsory reading in schools...

[Tribesman]

It's unfortunate that many public school children are denied this opportunity because of the high wall of protection that has been built around the false religion of evolutionism.

Wow , evolution is a religeon , and a false one according to that site .
Damn , and there was me thinking it was a scientific theory .

[Redleg]

Don't get me wrong, I trust in evolution, but this just reminded me of what Athiests say when they argue with Theists; the former says "There is no evidence", thus the Athiesm theory is comparable to the Creationism "theory" in that respect...

You forget I am a christian who believes in God and creation - however I know that with logic one can not prove or disprove anything by the lack of evidence.

[Ironside]

It's unfortunate that many public school children are denied this opportunity because of the high wall of protection that has been built around the false religion of evolutionism.

Wow , evolution is a religeon , and a false one according to that site .
Damn , and there was me thinking it was a scientific theory .

Have they started to assult geology yet?
As it was among the first fields were the age of earth were considered way more then a few thousands years old (they entered millions quite fast).

[yesdachi]

I don’t know who the heck Kent Hovind is but if he disproves evolution then my stance is that he is a not worth me spending my time taking a stance over.

[ZombieFriedNuts]

You know I’ll only believe in creationism if god comes to me and shouts at me for being an atheist.

[Lemur]

Is it too early to start "War on Christmas" threads? They would go nicely with this one ...

[Uesugi Kenshin]

I have only one question and then I will be able to make up my mind as to whether or not this guy is a hypocrite, or merely misguided.

Does he get flu shots every year?

[ZombieFriedNuts]

Ok I’m curious what do flu shots have to do with anything, its not part of a conspiracy is it?

[Louis VI the Fat]

That Hovind guy is quite a character. Visit his Dinosaur Adventure Land and get evidence that man and dinosaurs once roamed the earth together, a few thousand years ago!

Have they started to assault geology yet?

Uh oh, I'm afraid Kent Hovind has indeed...


Well Geology is just a religious theory, eh? It hasn't been observed (definition of "Science"= something that can be tested through observation). Only micro-geology can be proved. Have you ever witnessed tectonic plates moving, Ironside?

[Marcellus]

Isn't Kent Hovind the one who set the ridiculous $250,000 challenge to anyone who could 'prove' evolution was the only possible way for life to arise (defining evolution as something that it quite simply isn't)?

[GoreBag]

The front stance.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Ok I’m curious what do flu shots have to do with anything, its not part of a conspiracy is it?

Well, if this Hovind chap really didn't believe in evolution, he'd have one flu shot and trust that it would give him permanent immunity.

It must be quite good to delude yourself into swallowing this rubbish, in some respects. You wouldn't need to worry about MRSA while you were in hospital, as that would require the bacteria to evolve, and that's just not possible! Awesome!

*Chugs antibiotics wantonly*

[wolftrapper78]

My stance is that Kent (whom I have met) is a good guy who is also smart. He sometimes jumps to conclusions on certain things, but still good guy.

Most creationists will tell you that evolution cannot be disproven and that both evolutionism and creationism both need to be taken with a certain amount of faith.

[ZombieFriedNuts]

April fool’s Day (April 1st) “Darwin Day”.

hmm

[Ser Clegane]

Chick Tract: Big Daddy?

q.e.d.

[yesdachi]

Chick Tract: Big Daddy?

q.e.d.

My favorite line in that comic is where a kid in the background says “Wow! Wrong for 125 years and still in our book!” it just strikes me funny because I could believe it to be true.

[English assassin]

Chick Tract: Big Daddy?

q.e.d.

Wow. Evolution was small fry. Now I know that there are only two fundamental forces in nature, the electromagnetic, and Jesus, and not the four those lying scientists told me.

GodDAMN I wish I had knowed all this when I was sitting physics A level.

[master of the puppets]

hmm, so...was there a dinosaur jesus? was noah running from egyptian deinon? was the great flood how the plesiosaur got into lock ness? why did god kill off the dinosaurs, "just cause the T-Rex could'nt clasp its hands dose'nt mean it was'nt praying!!!"

but really i think evolution is sound enough. we have the missing links between birds and dinosaurs, fish and land animals, just because we do not yet have the thing that links us with the higher apes does not disprove evolution. hell just look at our anatomy, if a person had a tail the old church would have called him satan and had him burned. we now know every human has a tail bone! why, mabey "god" put it there as a weird quirk, or mabey our ancestors 3 million years ago had tails and we over time drew them into the body when there was no more use for them. why would "god" give us organs like the appendix which were meant to process raw meat if we were just eating fruit in the garden of eden, cause our ancestors needed that appendix to survive, even now we are changing, a bunch of organs in the body like the appendix have stopped working because we do not need it, we can cook out food, we are still evolving. why in the hell were our ancesters only 2000 years ago signifigantly shorter, cause they were more like monkeys.

the evidence is everywhere, creatonists just refuse to see it.

[InsaneApache]

"Dinosaur adventure land; the place where dinosaurs and the bible meet!"

I hav'n't laughed as much in ages. Do people really swallow this guff?

So if I got this straight, a man who can't prove whether God exists, goes around saying that evolution is a religion! Like I said I hav'n't had such a good belly laugh for donkeys years.

Looks like he's making quite a bit of money as well out of the gullible.