STW 2 instead of MTW 2

[AwesomeArcher]

Should the makers of the game have made a Shogun Total War II instead of a Medieval Total War II? I think they should have because Shogun was the first total war game to come out and it has a lot of room for improvement with all the new graphics and battle engines. What do you think?

[kburkert]

I dont really mind aslong as they make one later.

[Ibn Munqidh]

I would say no, no way, out of all the series, the one which had the best time period, setting, and case was medieval. The medieval era is the best era, and the lands surrounding the mediterranaen are the best for the game, due to many factors. Cultural clash, religious clash, racism, fundementalism, chivalry, honour, and utmost cruelty.

[Monk]

I would love an stw 2... on the condition they bring back the throne room and everything that set STW apart from MTW

[Lorenzo_H]

I think the Medieval period is a far better setting for Total War.

[kburkert]

But STW has a complete new style of game play.

[IrishArmenian]

I never played Shogun Total War, and played Medeival Total War scarecely, for when I was really interested in it I was serving in the army. But I say that I don't really care, but I think with the Medeival time setting, you get so many diverse cultures, so much friction between nations and such a broad scale. They are fighting all over the Continents. Now, I'll bet you could find all that I listed above in Shogun Total War, but in Medeival Total War it is magnified.

[Manstein]

The problem is the fact that it might not fit well with the consumers. Thus, I believe that STW2 will only be possible within the boundaries of a mod.

[Mooks]

I think rome is a awsome time setting. If CA actually opened up one of those page thing called 'books' they might have made the game better faction-unit wise.

[Furious Mental]

No. Too limited setting.

[Lorenzo_H]

I think rome is a awsome time setting. If CA actually opened up one of those page thing called 'books' they might have made the game better faction-unit wise.

errr...dude? CA were very historically accurate! The game was brilliant! Don't be so harsh!

[doc_bean]

M2TW has a lot more commercial appeal than S2TW, so purely business wise, they made the right decision imo. Gameplay wise, the medieval era offers a lot more diversity, which does makes it harder to balance the factions. Whether this is a good thing or not depends on persoanl taste I guess.

errr...dude? CA were very historically accurate! The game was brilliant! Don't be so harsh!

Oh boy...

[Dutch_guy]

In my opinion they made a good choice, keep in mind that opinion is based upon the fact that I just like the period better.

errr...dude? CA were very historically accurate! The game was brilliant! Don't be so harsh!

If it was, then mods such as EB and RTR wouldn't be here. As both the mods have set Historical accuracy as their main goal.

[NagatsukaShumi]

RTW was just as accurate as any of the TW have been, its a none issue. TW will NEVER be totally historicall accurate.

The differences between them have been the AI and the setting, not accuracy.

[barocca]

perhaps they will make STW2 as an expansion

you have Sengoku,
the Mongol invasions - there were two of them
plus the korea expedition
a possible war with china
and the meiji(?) era

just to name a few possible clashes

B.

[Zenicetus]

I think MTW2 was a logical decision. Most people don't know anything about feudal Japan, but they can relate to shiny European armored knights on horseback. In that respect, I'm kinda surprised they did RTW, since these days there isn't much popular knowledge of ancient Rome outside Cecil B. DeMille movies.

MTW2 may also be a springboard for Napoleon:Total War as the next major game, which would also make sense in terms of popularity, but I hope they don't go there. I prefer fighting with ancient, non-gunpowder armies. So I hope they do something like China/3 Kingdoms as the next one. Heck, I'd settle for Stone Age:Total War. Anything that doesn't have firearms as the main combat style.

[IrishArmenian]

I agree with Zenicetus, I am not excited by a Napoleonic era. I like the up close and personal qualities of Melee weapons. You get to see your enemies. I don't like gunpowder Total War ideas.

[Manstein]

I have to disagree upon that setiment. Gunpowder armies maybe be filled with simple shooting, but it might also provide some new graeplay styles that will breathe some new life into the series. The Total War series, as of now, is largely all about pinning the enemy at the front and attack his back. Of course, that isn't the only strategy, but I would like to see a gunpowder Total War.

[edyzmedieval]

What about an RTWII?

[Ibn Munqidh]

What about an RTWII?

yuck....

[The Spartan (Returns)]

I agree with Zenicetus, I am not excited by a Napoleonic era. I like the up close and personal qualities of Melee weapons. You get to see your enemies. I don't like gunpowder Total War ideas.

seconded!!! (although after watching patriot i kinda like those muskets )

[The Spartan (Returns)]

What about an RTWII?

id like one. that time period is very interesting. testudos,elephants,phlanxes,chariots,barbaric warcries. whats so yuck about that?

[Brighdaasa]

I'd rather ca stay away from stw2, they will almost surely disappoint those who played stw in the early days. Better not to shatter the image of a near perfect game we still have or have built up in our minds. Imho they will never again get the atmosphere that spot-on as they did in the original one, mainly because the series has moved on to a different audience. Stw was aimed at a niche market with a relatively small and specific audience, as opposed to the broad audience the series is targeting now.

Maybe when ca actually faces competition that's about to best them in atmosphere, ai and graphics, it's time for a new epic episode or a quality remake of stw.

[Basileus]

I´ll say it like this, instead of CA giving us an expansion on MTW2 they should make the expansion STW2 heh

[NodachiSam]

Interesting idea but I don't know how much interest actually would exist for another SWT themed game. Maybe as an add on in a more general East Asia Total War, as Japan is kind limited. STW was my baptism into the Total War series but I personally don't know how much interest I would have in another Medieval Japan game. I would also find a Chinese total war even more dull and unappealing unless it was more broad, incorporating Mongols, Tibetans, Koreans, Japanese, maybe Indians, Cambodians... As it is I'm happy with MTW 2 now that I've wrapped my head around the idea.

[Zenicetus]

I have to disagree upon that setiment. Gunpowder armies maybe be filled with simple shooting, but it might also provide some new graeplay styles that will breathe some new life into the series. The Total War series, as of now, is largely all about pinning the enemy at the front and attack his back. Of course, that isn't the only strategy, but I would like to see a gunpowder Total War.

I enjoy *modern* gunpowder combat in strategy games. Basically anything WWII or later, where the tactics are more fluid.

What I don't like is the Napoleonic period (or my possibly mistaken view of it)... the idea of two armies marching towards each other in rigid formation... then the front rank fires in unison, and falls. Then the next rank fires, and falls. Gahhhh... and all at fairly long range. Doesn't seem like that much fun.

Give me guys hacking at each other with sticks and sharp things.

[kburkert]

I hate modern warfare (with guns), theres less tacticts to it, but when you have a sheild and sword theres more tactics. Bows cannot be used as a gun like weapon because it does not just go through anything. So really thers no arguement, some people might injoy a later version of warfare.

CA should make games that hit mytholgical areas like elves and so on. What do you think?

[Duke John]

Instead of writing a lengthly post about how Napoleonic warfare was more tactically interesting than Medieval warfare let me show 2 diagrams of army layouts.

Battle of Austerlitz


Battle of Poitiers


And let me add this quote:

He also said CA does not like the Napoleonic Era, not because of the tactics and stuff, but of the implementation of those tactics. Its too hard to code, but if the hardware gets better it would be possible.

From: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=51538


You may not like the Napoleonic wars, but saying that they were tactically less interesting only shows you still got a lot of reading to do

[Lord Adherbal]

What I don't like is the Napoleonic period (or my possibly mistaken view of it)... the idea of two armies marching towards each other in rigid formation... then the front rank fires in unison, and falls. Then the next rank fires, and falls. Gahhhh... and all at fairly long range. Doesn't seem like that much fun.

that's like claiming tank battles involve tanks lining up and shooting eachother to bits. Both are far from the truth.

Nap battles were a fine balance of shooting, charging and artillery bombardement. On top of that good use of terrain on a much larger scale then medieval/ancient battles was vital.

[R'as al Ghul]

I've asked this question last week and the thread was spammed to death after CA made a "statement".

Anyway, rest assured. There'll be a Shogun mod for M2:TW.
And I'm pretty enthusiastic about the possibilities this new engine will provide.
At least graphic wise. Let's hope that it'll be a game that's actually worth playing, not only looking at.