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    Default Re: A perspective on the Left and identity politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Pindar
    I don't follow you.
    Well, your first quote basically says that the criticism of Israel is hypocritical (somewhat valid, in some cases that criticism goes too far) and that it's some way of punishing US while not really punishing the US.
    The second one if speculating that the left's dislike of Israel has something to do with that they are supposed to feel betrayed by Israel.
    Then you got a piece about the left (and only the left) being too emotionally obsessed by politics.
    With no added information, the easiest conclusion drawed is that getting emotionally obsessed by politics is a very common phenomena on the left (and only to the left) and the anti-Israeli policy is a very big prove of that. Goofball, who is pro-Israeli and very emotional about that, proves that the bolded part is wrong.

    Now if you intended something different with your original post, see below.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pindar
    I have not made any exclusionary claim. The reason I put forward the commentary for replies was I thought the charge made was interesting. It interested me, because the critique of identity politics would actually place it parallel to religious sentiment as a simple example. This would explain the emotionalism and provide context.

    It doesn't seem many of the replies have challenged the conclusion, but have instead been either hostile or wanted to point to other groups as well. This suggests the author may have got it right.
    The reason is that as BP suggested it is formulated in a poor way for a balanced discusion. I won't get any decent responeses if I posted a claim that "the average American would make a chimpanze cover thier head in shame for being related with those stupid idiots" and didn't add that the true debate I wanted was the quality of the lower American school system. Most Americans here would feel insulted and point out that this was wrong, or that this isn't a particular American issue but would exist in other places too. In this case it would probably contain quite a few insults too in there anyway. Now an American known for having issues with the school system and known to be a proud American could probably get away with this, but not a Europeian.
    Or to put it simple: You can't expect posting an article consisting of a negative view on something and that the article put it only on the "other" side and get a reasonable discussion. Unless you actually add what you really want to discuss and that you're not fully agreeing with the attack that the original article contains (unless in that very rare case that the article is true, but then the debate would have a different behavior pattern).
    As for the seriousity. This is the Backroom, people here debates politics way more seriously here than they would do in real life. Life and death issues here can be barely noticible in real life.
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