The trait system is really beginning to grate on my nerves!

**Cras** · 06-02-2006, 09:00

be careful guys,... you might have enemy spies in your cities that make also has a big effect on your cities hapiness!

**Quillan** · 06-02-2006, 14:37

The bad manager traits come from having excessive treasury. That will be checked every turn for a governor, with one check each at 50K, 100K, and 150K in the treasury. That number includes the income you just got, so if the end turn processing puts you over the top, your governors check. I don't recall whether or not that particular one happens only if they have full movement points or not. If you have 150K or more, it'll check 3 times a turn for every governor, so your management goes in the crapper pretty quickly.

The bad taxman traits come from having a tax rate other than Very High and still having 105 or greater public order. I don't know how often that checks, it might only be when a building is completed, but I haven't dug into the files to see.

**lars573** · 06-02-2006, 15:33

Hmm, looks like I'll be trying that very high taxes thing. Also if you wanted to mod the bad manager traits it would be better to make the checks happen at say every 100,000 to 300k or 250k to 750k or at 1 million to 3 million.

**Kralizec** · 06-02-2006, 16:47

I know Malrubius made a trait mod for 1.2, sadly that's not going to help you. There might be some other trait mods for 1.6, a good place to search would be the Forge.

**gardibolt** · 06-02-2006, 17:31

The original poster said he's playing ERE, which means he's playing BI. The threshold for negative traits coming is was dropped in BI, I think to 12,000d. Since he said he has a 100,000d treasury, it's no wonder his family is full of fools, drunkards and dotards. You can't have that kind of treasury in BI and expect to have any usable family members. I just finished an ERE game, and all of my family was good Romans, each and every one of them. I almost never finished a turn with more than 1000d in the bank. It's too late for this game, but try the ERE again following that rule and see if your family doesn't prove to be better behaved and less like the scions of a wealthy family.

**x-dANGEr** · 06-02-2006, 20:31

11k AFAIK, Gardibolt. Denarii is your problem mate, just get rid of it. (Even though I don't really care about it, I don'tput generals in my cities so what the heck.. My treasury won't affect me..)

**Quillan** · 06-02-2006, 20:35

Wow, that really was a drop. I don't have BI, and my rule is to always spend down to the point where I don't go over 50K even with greater income than anticipated.