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    Quote Originally Posted by orangat
    Academies are overrated. In vanilla RTW, the probability of an academy improving traits is miniscule.
    But the benefit of academies is farming ancillaries, rather than fostering traits. A chirurgeon (sp?) alone is worth building an academy for, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by econ21
    But the benefit of academies is farming ancillaries, rather than fostering traits. A chirurgeon (sp?) alone is worth building an academy for, IMO.
    What does chirurgeon (sp?) do - BI or RTW vanilla?

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    Well, the game is actually starting to turn around. I've isolated at least one good general. He's about 6 stars I think now. I managed to take my revenge out on the Sarmations for capturing Constantinople. They horded it awhile back, so I brought an army of heavy onagers forward to assault the city. He had around 3,000 men and instead of storming my onagers, they all huddled in the city. I brought forward my ten onagers, set them on fire at will, set them to use fire and watched the show. I have unlimited ammo on. The city ended up being their funeral pyre by the time I was finished, I sent in some infantry to mop up the survivors when the battle time limit was close to expiring. Very satisfying and a whole lot of fun :)

    Where is the guide on editing traits here on the site? I'd like to modify them without wiping all of them out.
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    Personally, I think the bad traits system is a good counter to having too much money and too much opulance. When you are at a stage where you have too much money the game becomes too easy, this is a little bit of a leveller thats all.
    Edit it out and you are just making the game easier still. Then, no doubt, you will be complaining that there is no challenge in the game.
    There is a reason these things are in the game, just overcome them and win. Much more satisfaction dude.

    EDIT: How the h*ll can anihilating a city using ten onagers with unlimited ammo be satisfying? I think we are very different people, I prefer a challenge.
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    He obviously had a bone to pick with the Sarmations and damn those female archers can be intimidating.

    Anyway, he could have used 20 standard onagers for the same number of turns to construct!
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    Default Re: The trait system is really beginning to grate on my nerves!

    Quote Originally Posted by Slug For A Butt
    Personally, I think the bad traits system is a good counter to having too much money and too much opulance. When you are at a stage where you have too much money the game becomes too easy, this is a little bit of a leveller thats all.
    Edit it out and you are just making the game easier still. Then, no doubt, you will be complaining that there is no challenge in the game.
    There is a reason these things are in the game, just overcome them and win. Much more satisfaction dude.

    EDIT: How the h*ll can anihilating a city using ten onagers with unlimited ammo be satisfying? I think we are very different people, I prefer a challenge.
    I've never complained about anything being too easy. I just don't do it. But punishing a player for having too much wealth or planning ahead just a little to well, is a retarded game mechanic. Period. If this was the case in reality, every empire in history that was successful would have run itself into the ground with drunken fools and dotards that didn't know how to run an empire.

    I'm glad that you prefer a challenege, I prefer entertainment. If you cannot see the fun factor in obliterating a city in the above mentioned fashion, then I guess your one of those realism junkies. To each their own.

    At any rate, I'm being "challenged" sufficently by the WRE. The rest of my enemies are smoking ruins at this point. We are in something of a stalemate, he sends hordes of troops to siege my cities, I slap them down, and have just enough time to recover before he hits me with another wave. I think every one of my generals has the "Eagles Collector" trait at this point.

    The ironic part is, that most of my losses are not at the hands of his troops but rather those autocannon ballista mounted on those damned siege towers. They cut down 100 of my men every siege I go through with ease. Whoever came up with that unbalancing little idea is clearly mistaken*. There simply isn't a way for a siege tower to pack ten ballistas inside the tops of them. Very annoying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Excalibur Bane
    If this was the case in reality, every empire in history that was successful would have run itself into the ground with drunken fools and dotards that didn't know how to run an empire.

    Hmmm, sounds kinda like the late Western Roman Empire to me.....

    I'm with SFAB on this one. THe game is easy enough as it is, I like a challenge, and I like my characters to have personalities.

    Hooting mad generals with a bossy mother-in-law and drunken uncles following them everywhere add to the challenge and the entertainment value as far as I'm concerned.

    Good job CA!
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    Default Re: The trait system is really beginning to grate on my nerves!

    Quote Originally Posted by orangat
    What does chirurgeon (sp?) do - BI or RTW vanilla?
    Its in both i think.

    It either increases the likelihood of you having children or increases the revival rate of troops after a battle. Cant remember which.
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    Default Re: The trait system is really beginning to grate on my nerves!

    The trait system was a good first try by CA but it fell a bit short. Look to player1's bug fixer to correct some of the more bizarre errors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divine Wind
    (Chirurgeon) either increases the likelihood of you having children or increases the revival rate of troops after a battle. Cant remember which.
    It's the second one. I don't remember, but it may have had a morale effect too.

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    I think that you should be able to try to reform your generals. Assasins can easily get rid of drunken uncles and mad mothers. And well...you can always say if you dont sober up your fired.
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    Maybe it should be realized that the game's true gem is in its battles. The Single player strategic game is lame, even compared to many other games, both in depth and in details.

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    Default Re: The trait system is really beginning to grate on my nerves!

    Although I find the battles in MTW & STW far, far superior to RTW. Whereas Romes strategic map beats them into a cocked hat.

    However, you are correct, the likes of EU2 is lightyears ahead of the TW strategic game, but then again, its a pure strategy game with auto-resolve battles (and very simplistic ones at that).
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