Feared units.

**David** · 06-02-2006, 08:16

Its a good idea, but I think it hard to implent in the game. Armies change all the time, units too, so what will determine if an army scares the enemy? Also, your units do not age, so this effect might be somewhat overpowered then.

Your generals already have ratings like dread and command and stuff, but i dont know if the AI takes this into account when deciding to fight or to run?

**ivoignob** · 06-02-2006, 08:47

Well the scaring effect don't has to arise during succesful battles, it can come from scratch. Like flaming arrows and siege equipment already have a moral lowering effect on enemy troops...

**NagatsukaShumi** · 06-02-2006, 14:25

The original MTW did allow you to make units fear others, Cavalry for example were terrified of Camels and there was a handy column for this, we will see when its released.

**doc_bean** · 06-02-2006, 16:57

Originally Posted by David

Your generals already have ratings like dread and command and stuff, but i dont know if the AI takes this into account when deciding to fight or to run?

Dread lowers their moral I think (?). I'm pretty happy with the vices and virtues system, as long as they stop overdoing the amount of V&V's your generals get and make them related to what actually happened in the game.

**Kralizec** · 06-02-2006, 17:04

Dread lowers their moral I think

Not exactly, some V/V's wich increase dread also lower your units' morale, such the 'no mercy' vice. The reasoning is that since you execute all your prisoners, your troops don't get a share in the ransom, because there isn't any. Though if you do it enough, or execute 1,000 prisoners in one go, you'll immediately get a V/V that increases your dread a LOT without morale penalty.

Dread itself doesn't lower troops' morale of either you or the enemy, it just scares populations into submission AFAIK.

Speaking of wich, I hope prisoner ransoming is back.

**Furious Mental** · 06-02-2006, 17:50

It is. Supposedly ransoming prisoners raises a general's chivalry and imparts a morale bonus to his army, whereas executing prisoners raises his dread and imposes a morale penalty on the enemy.

**Oaty** · 06-02-2006, 19:55

Well I'd say RTW actually had it down pat as far as gameplay, and and not down to nittygritty micromanaging details.

Your general has stars wich enhances his troops, when he dies usually a lesser general will take his place. Thus representing troops that were past thier retirement leaving due to being loyal to that general and many of them being replaced by new recruits to fill the slots.

**A.Saturnus** · 06-02-2006, 21:22

Originally Posted by Kralizec

Not exactly, some V/V's wich increase dread also lower your units' morale, such the 'no mercy' vice. The reasoning is that since you execute all your prisoners, your troops don't get a share in the ransom, because there isn't any. Though if you do it enough, or execute 1,000 prisoners in one go, you'll immediately get a V/V that increases your dread a LOT without morale penalty.

Dread itself doesn't lower troops' morale of either you or the enemy, it just scares populations into submission AFAIK.

Speaking of wich, I hope prisoner ransoming is back.

That's how it was in MTW. But some interviews (maybe someone can find a quote) indicate that in M2TW, dread will have an effect on opponents' morale.

**Vladimir** · 06-02-2006, 21:25

Originally Posted by A.Saturnus

That's how it was in MTW. But some interviews (maybe someone can find a quote) indicate that in M2TW, dread will have an effect on opponents' morale.

Finally! Yay!

**The Stranger** · 06-02-2006, 21:46

i think their should be a last stand attribute. when youre in a province that has no escape will the soldiers fight to death, atleast the elites.

**A.Saturnus** · 06-03-2006, 20:06

Originally Posted by The Stranger

i think their should be a last stand attribute. when youre in a province that has no escape will the soldiers fight to death, atleast the elites.

Of course, it will be rather rare that an army would so landlocked that no escape is possible. The question is should this also apply if an army is attacked when its movement points are spend?