MP Campaign: The Compact of Europa

[Myrddraal]

The following is a statement for all other alliances. If you wish for diplomatic talks, they must be arranged with us before-hand. Any diplomats in Compact lands without permission will be dealt with.

It is unfortunate that this must be so, but you have been warned.

[Shadows]

I second the above law. If a spy is sighted within my boundriess, rest assured that you shall not ever see the said spy again. Some story for both assassins and armies as well. Regardless of faction. You clear it up with me first or it dies. End of Story.

[Glaucus]

Cheers

[Ignoramus]

The Confederation of Thracian Tribes humbly request to join this alliance. Will you accept us?

[Glaucus]

You have my vote, though I would like to talk to you about strategy first.

[Shadows]

Thracian, those of the noble Gallic blood shall accept you into our Brotherhood, the Compact of Europa. Your People and Ours have similar bloodlines and such a truce is not to be unexpected amongst us. Welcome to the Compact Ignoramus.

[Ignoramus]

I thank you, Chief Shadows, we Celts must stick together!

[Monarch]

I thank you, Chief Shadows, we Celts must stick together!

Lets face it, you Thracians are just wannabe Greeks, I mean, get a real phalanx

[Silver Rusher]

Lets face it, you Thracians are just wannabe Greeks, I mean, get a real phalanx

But... you Greeks use hoplites! I mean, come on, how can you call that a real phalanx?

[Monarch]

But... you Greeks use hoplites! I mean, come on, how can you call that a real phalanx?

Greek Cities requests the ug men with the long pointy sticks (apparently they call them phalanxes) respects the fact that nobody can deny that our glorious Spartan Hoplites are the best warriors in the world.

[RickFGS]

But... you Greeks use hoplites! I mean, come on, how can you call that a real phalanx?

Urr...greek hoplites are the real ones and the original, macedonian and seleucid are called "phalangites" because they use less armor and sarissas, long pikes, invented by Philip, father of Alexander, this is common knowledge yes?

Phalanx = 160 men width, first 3 rows fight the enemy, experienced soldiers requeried because of armor and fighting with large shield "hoplons".
Phalangites = 250 widt, first 5 rows fight the enemy, not so many experienced requeried (smaller shields strapped to arm) so the ranks could be replenished in few moths/years. Do to long quantity of sarrisas enemy incoming missles are deflected.

[Glaucus]

but Bull Warriors are sweet looking!

[Silver Rusher]

Urr...greek hoplites are the real ones and the original, macedonian and seleucid are called "phalangites" because they use less armor and sarissas, long pikes, invented by Philip, father of Alexander, this is common knowledge yes?

Phalanx = 160 men width, first 3 rows fight the enemy, experienced soldiers requeried.
Phalangites = 250 widt, first 5 rows fight the enemy, not so many experienced requeried so the ranks could be replenished in few moths/years. Do to long quantity of sarrisas enemy incoming missles are deflected.

Well I suppose you could say there are two types of phalanx really, the Macedonian phalanx and the Greek phalanx. Wasn't the Greek pike/spear held over-arm and the Macedonian sarissa held underarm, or am I getting mixed up?

Either way I can't be bothered with a historical discussion right now.

[RickFGS]

"Phalanx" is the word used to classify the sytle of fighting, since Hoplites and Phalangites all fight in the same basic design, they are both called Phalanx, the macedonian and seleucid are the later and more improved for "open" field battles, since the greek phalanx didnt required such long spears, battles between city states where held in valleys, the flanks protected by the harsh terrain itself (thus the creation of the phalanx itself derivates from an adaptation to the greek terrain).

The greek spear was strapped to the arm and was held by both hands, not just one, since the strenght required to manage effectively a long heavy spear cant be done with only one arm. This is equal in both hoplites and phalangites. The difference in the two is the "weight factor", macedonian phalangite required the use of less or lighter armor and smaller less weight shields allowing the soldier to yield his spear in effective manner because a sarissa is much heavier and long then a normal spear. To compensate for his "less armored troops", Philip instituted a 250 width long phalanx organitazion, making for numbers and range what he lost in individual "protection", allowing for the creation of an "army of the people" instead of just for "the trained elite" such as Spartan society.

[RickFGS]

but Bull Warriors are sweet looking!

That unit is excellent, and the scutarii is also a must, i hope their numbers arent that great once Rome reaches Iberia ;)

[Glaucus]

That unit is excellent, and the scutarii is also a must, i hope their numbers arent that great once Rome reaches Iberia ;)

*Or when Iberia reaches Rome

[RickFGS]

Ilusions are nice, but its what they are...only "ilusions" :)

[General_Sun]

Anyone thinks that we're a little too powerful? I mean 6 players.... That's almost half the number of players in the game. In my game I limited alliances to 4 players. But hey...

[kburkert]

Hoplites used over arm and most greek factions used them until alexander and his father chaged it to phalanx. RTW was not accurate in the Greek Factions.

Oh and Spartans arent that good.

[Glaucus]

(His avatar is a spartan...)

[kburkert]

i just changed my avatar.

[RickFGS]

greek and macedonian phalanx use the spear exactly on the same manner, except macedonian carry less "weight"/armor.

Greek Hoplite:


Macedonian Phalangites:

[Glaucus]

And phalanxes have longer spears then hoplites.

[RickFGS]

Noo..ah...whatever...lol

[General_Sun]

The Macedonians use a longer spear, thus they need to abandon some of their armor so that they can march effectively. But the longer spears are better at deflecting arrows so they dont' need as much armor.

And longer spears are just better in all cases, :P.

[Shadows]

Phalanx = 160 men width, first 3 rows fight the enemy, experienced soldiers requeried because of armor and fighting with large shield "hoplons".
Phalangites = 250 widt, first 5 rows fight the enemy, not so many experienced requeried (smaller shields strapped to arm) so the ranks could be replenished in few moths/years. Do to long quantity of sarrisas enemy incoming missles are deflected.

When you put it like that IMO the Phalangites look to be the better of the two. The phalangites can block incoming misslefire, hoplites cannot. The phalangites require less experince, making it easier to train a larger force of phalangites, much less time-consuming then training a unit of hoplites.Plus the phalangites has more men involved in the fighting at one time. Making them more powerful IMO. It appears to me that the phalangites beat the hoplites fairly easily.

[General_Sun]

And they did. Philip II used them to whip the Greeks butts.

[Glaucus]

unless its spartans vs levys, then spartans PWN

[Monarch]

And they did. Philip II used them to whip the Greeks butts.

Lightning never strikes twice

[RickFGS]

When you put it like that IMO the Phalangites look to be the better of the two. The phalangites can block incoming misslefire, hoplites cannot. The phalangites require less experince, making it easier to train a larger force of phalangites, much less time-consuming then training a unit of hoplites.Plus the phalangites has more men involved in the fighting at one time. Making them more powerful IMO. It appears to me that the phalangites beat the hoplites fairly easily.

Yep, thats exatcly what happend in history, thats why Phillip of MAcedonia conquered the Greeks, he improved the Phalanx, making it into a killing machine, possible to use on different fields.

The Phalangite is superior to the Ancient greek hoplites, but dont forget Phalangites came in around 350 BC, Hoplites where used by the Greeks in 600 BC or even before, they have a "few years" between them ;).

By this means, the Roman legion itself is an evolution of the Hispanian Scutarii (Since rome adoptaded the Gladius - iberian sword - and the use of the javellin, commom to iberian warfare), the only difference is that Rome perfected it with a long Shield and military organization.