Draw during battle

[KrooK]

I got battle some days ago. I got some cav and archers left and my opponent got heavy infantry but without cav or archers.
Neighter my opponent could win nor me. I would die charging on his infrantry, he would never catch my fast units.
I think it could be ideal definition of tie. No one can win but no one can loose too. What do you think? Maybe we should add new result ?

[tibilicus]

Surley no matter what the situation one persons play can always beat the other?

Tib

[KrooK]

I completely disagree with you m8.
Inf never catch cav on steppes.
Cav never breaks inf spam with shildkrots - simply no one can win (i mean similar level of players not noob vs expert).

[tibilicus]

I get what your saying Krook but what I meant to say was surely some one will have to lose? If they choose to or not.

Although a draw could be a good idea it porably wouldn't happen to much.

Tib

[ZIM!!]

Well , one thing I hate is chasing down remnant units at the end of a battle like archers if all my cav is dead it can go on forever. 1 game a real jerk kept me chasing his remaining 10 archers for about 20 mins with my 40 or 5 full units of heavy inf

[BHCWarman88]

I had when all my Cav/Eles/Chariots are dead,and I have to chase 4-6 Full or Almost Full Units of Archers around..

[x-dANGEr]

I got battle some days ago. I got some cav and archers left and my opponent got heavy infantry but without cav or archers.
Neighter my opponent could win nor me. I would die charging on his infrantry, he would never catch my fast units.
I think it could be ideal definition of tie. No one can win but no one can loose too. What do you think? Maybe we should add new result ?

No. Basicaly, you'd depete your arrows on him, and then charge, that's the hidden code of gameplay I think.

[LadyAnn]

A unit chased for a while will rout automatically. You lose. However, if he doesn't do it right, you may catch him off guard and rout him.

Another metric: if one opponent gets 3/4 of the territory and out number you 3:1 then it is a honorable thing to conceed victory to your opponent. It is a hardest skill to learn: when to conceed victory and call it a good game.

Anniep

ps.: clarification: I believe the one with infantry has the burden of resolve the conflict as in theory he should win. There is no honor loss for you to wait forever.

[Orda Khan]

Hello Krook,
I agree with your summary entirely, the exact same thing happened with my first battle in RTW. I had my HA and my mate had his cohorts. I had no arrows left, his cohorts were exhausted. The stuation, as you described, is a stalemate.
The outcome was a draw, we both agreed on that and it was a fitting end to a hard fought battle. We do not need this as a new result, a draw exists already in campaign battles. In MP all it takes is for an honourable opponent (such as my mate) to declare the outcome and for the other to agree.

Not all battles ended with a clear winner

.....Orda

[BHCWarman88]

Yeah,I won't admit Deafet unless it under extreme Measure although..

[KrooK]

LadyAnn - you are in mistake.
In rome elite horse archers won't run, especially when your army is more valuable. You are talking about honor - here i can't agree with you. Best option is simply agree on draw.

[x-dANGEr]

Hello Krook,
I agree with your summary entirely, the exact same thing happened with my first battle in RTW. I had my HA and my mate had his cohorts. I had no arrows left, his cohorts were exhausted. The stuation, as you described, is a stalemate.
The outcome was a draw, we both agreed on that and it was a fitting end to a hard fought battle. We do not need this as a new result, a draw exists already in campaign battles. In MP all it takes is for an honourable opponent (such as my mate) to declare the outcome and for the other to agree.

Not all battles ended with a clear winner

.....Orda

I wouldn't agree. You had no arrows left, or any other units, so what should've been done (IMO) is do a final charge and lose the game, doing as many casualties in his army to make the defeat less great. I remember a 3 on 3 with fellow RTKs, that was basically a HA spam game (I had the Huns on my side + my Roxolanii), the point is we depleted all our arrows on them, and they were still alive, we didn't call it a draw, but rather died in a LotR: RotK last battle in Mordor.

[Rodion Romanovich]

I got battle some days ago. I got some cav and archers left and my opponent got heavy infantry but without cav or archers.
Neighter my opponent could win nor me. I would die charging on his infrantry, he would never catch my fast units.
I think it could be ideal definition of tie. No one can win but no one can loose too. What do you think? Maybe we should add new result ?

One funny thing, was that I was in your situation once in a battle, and actually managed to feint charge in a way so that the opponent was fooled to split up a bit, and by recharging my cavs into isolated units several times I eventually demoralized and killed enough to break up his heavy infantry. Needless to say, he wasn't pleased with the result and accused me of cheating

[Orda Khan]

I wouldn't agree. You had no arrows left, or any other units, so what should've been done (IMO) is do a final charge and lose the game, doing as many casualties in his army to make the defeat less great. I remember a 3 on 3 with fellow RTKs, that was basically a HA spam game (I had the Huns on my side + my Roxolanii), the point is we depleted all our arrows on them, and they were still alive, we didn't call it a draw, but rather died in a LotR: RotK last battle in Mordor.

What is gained by this? Why spoil an otherwise great battle? A general does not send his men to certain death

[BHCWarman88]

One funny thing, was that I was in your situation once in a battle, and actually managed to feint charge in a way so that the opponent was fooled to split up a bit, and by recharging my cavs into isolated units several times I eventually demoralized and killed enough to break up his heavy infantry. Needless to say, he wasn't pleased with the result and accused me of cheating

lol, I had people like that.. I destroyed his army and had 1 good unit of cav left hiding behind a hill,and I flank his archers,and he said I cheated,lol..

[Monarch]

What is gained by this? Why spoil an otherwise great battle? A general does not send his men to certain death

Depends who the general is, an ancient Spartan general, or just about every general during ww1?

[x-dANGEr]

What is gained by this? Why spoil an otherwise great battle? A general does not send his men to certain death

Then just retreat your men and give the win to your opponet.. Mind you, what's the point of just standing their? As long as you won't do anything, in a normal battle the enemy should just march on, ignoring your harmless HA.

[Orda Khan]

So all you can understand is a win or a loss? That's what battles are like, sometimes there is no clear winner and in the case of a game the same thing applies

........Orda

[BHCWarman88]

you going to have to Admit Deafet or something,can't let the game go on for Ages Orda..

[Rodion Romanovich]

yeah, there's no easy way for the game to determine if it's draw... There could be unwritten rules though, saying that for instance the attacker should admit defeat if it comes to a stalemate...

[x-dANGEr]

Let's have an example of a real battle. At the end of the battle, Hunnic invaders, with only their HA left had no arrows to use, and their enemy the Romans (WRE) had 2 legions. What would happen now, is that the Huns either retreat or charge, and in both cases the Romans would win, I can't see where the 'draw' status is..

[BHCWarman88]

Nethier Could I,they would have to attack,since they not in SKirhmish Mode since they got no more Arrows Left..

[Orda Khan]

That much I gathered

.......Orda

[KrooK]

X-danger
During that battle, Huns had to charge because their allies were loosing.
At the beginning there were 1 legion and 1 in reserve. Arrows killed so much soldiers that 2nd legion must join 1st. Huns lost that battle because they were broken by goths on flank.

[x-dANGEr]

I'm not talking about a historical battle, just an example of how things go..

[BHCWarman88]

to Me,there Can't Really be a Draw.. If you got Spearmen,and he has Cav,the Person with Cav should just chagre the Spears and end it..

[NihilisticCow]

Well the game doesn't really allow a draw like that. Generally I see people trying to do that kind of thing when for example in a battle you lose all your cavalry and archers but rout everything except a light cavalry unit. Using your example, even if you had 10 spears left and they had a half dead unit of light cavalry this would be a draw, I really don't believe this. The way the game is, it must have a conclusion one way or the other, just prolonging it when you have no chance of actually winning is not really fair play. Yes in real life the cavalry unit would be able to avoid combat, but it would not be able to stop their cities from been sacked so trying to draw comparisions is not really valid as the infantry force would have other targets...

[x-dANGEr]

As I said before Cow. A draw is not possible.

[NihilisticCow]

As I said before Cow. A draw is not possible.

Did you read my post? Or were you agreeing with me.

[x-dANGEr]

Totally agree ;)

At the end of the battle, Hunnic invaders, with only their HA left had no arrows to use, and their enemy the Romans (WRE) had 2 legions. What would happen now, is that the Huns either retreat or charge, and in both cases the Romans would win, I can't see where the 'draw' status is..

:P