Are camels a good unit to have in army?

**Kralizec** · 06-22-2006, 16:31

Originally Posted by orangat

The camel cataphracts in RTW are very strong. They are armored can go toe to toe with any heavy cavalry plus they have the scare bonus.

The disadvantage is that they are slower and cannot chase down horse cavalry.

True, and in the event that they should rout (unlikely as they have good stats, but still) they will al get cut down because there isn't much in the game that can't catch up with them.

**Animal** · 06-22-2006, 23:20

Camels are good in deserts, against Heavy Horses and routing troops.

They are weak vs infantry, missiles, missiles cav, and even light cav.

Unless you use them for specifically what they are for, they will lose. Even a flank attack gets you in trouble.

**Mithrandir** · 06-23-2006, 00:17

Welcome to the bOrg Animal, you will now be assimilated.

**Mithrandir** · 06-23-2006, 00:23

Originally Posted by Animal

Camels are good in deserts, against Heavy Horses and routing troops.

They are weak vs infantry, missiles, missiles cav, and even light cav.

Unless you use them for specifically what they are for, they will lose. Even a flank attack gets you in trouble.

Camels are great in any terrain, true they get a bonus in desert, but that doesn;t mean they don't win on Lush as well.

They do even better vs light cavelry than vs heavy cavelry and pretty decent flankers. Only point you rightfully made is that they need to take care not to get caught by archers.

Don;t take this the wrong way..it's just my purpose here on the Org to let everyone know how good camels are

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-Mithrandir.

**bamff** · 06-23-2006, 02:27

Okay Mithrandir, as the resident org expert on all things camel, is there an appreciable difference between the camel units of the Muslim factions? For example, are Turkish camels better or worse than Eggy camels?

I'm aiming to have a crack at the Turks after I finish my current Danish campaign....

**Severous** · 06-23-2006, 07:37

I build units each turn in all cities, hire all mercenaries I can.

Mercenary Bedouin camels of archer and warrior types were part of my Egyptian army. Like animal said...they have their strengths and weaknesses. In a mixed unit army they have a role to play like any other unit.

IfI ever had a choice of camel or cavalry I would have to decide what my stack lacked most and the enemy it was likely to encounter.

**Ludens** · 06-23-2006, 12:38

Originally Posted by bamff

Okay Mithrandir, as the resident org expert on all things camel, is there an appreciable difference between the camel units of the Muslim factions? For example, are Turkish camels better or worse than Eggy camels?

All Muslim factions can recruit Bedouin warriors in north-eastern Africa, Syria and Arabia, but the Almohads get Berber camels in north-west Africa as well. Personally, I wouldn't bother with the Berbers: they are a nice counter against jinettes, but the bow does not make up for the low the close-combat stats, and their building requirements are rather steep.

**Alex the conqueror** · 06-23-2006, 14:05

yes they are better units, especially against horses

**Mithrandir** · 06-23-2006, 14:11

Ludens answered you question quite thoroughly

There is no difference in stats, unless a certain province adds a bonus.

**Ludens** · 06-25-2006, 19:47

Originally Posted by Mithrandir

There is no difference in stats, unless a certain province adds a bonus.

Bedouin camel warriors * Charge 6 Attack 2 Defence 0 Armour 2 Speed 9, 14, 16 Morale 0 Cost 125 Support cost 40
Berber camels * * * * * Charge 2 Attack 0 Defence 0 Armour 2 Speed 9, 14, 16 Morale 0 Cost 300 Support cost 30

You can get a valour bonus for Berbers in Morocco (the crusader_production file also says Algeria, but valour bonuses are apparently only awarded in the first province the file mentions). Bedouin warriors do not get a valour bonus in any province.