The Decline and Fall of the EU

**A.Saturnus** · 06-14-2006, 02:01

Originally Posted by doc_bean

Then please elaborate why demographic stagnation would be such a disaster.

It isn't. Quite the contrary. At the moment we have exponential growth of population. The laws of thermodynamics require that the rise has to stop and population reach a (meta-)stable level. The concern is how this happens.

**doc_bean** · 06-14-2006, 09:16

Originally Posted by A.Saturnus

It isn't. Quite the contrary. At the moment we have exponential growth of population. The laws of thermodynamics require that the rise has to stop and population reach a (meta-)stable level. The concern is how this happens.

The laws of thermodynamics ???????? They just say that all energy will eventually be heat to me...

It seems likely that such a level will be reached, based on extrapolation of data of current western countries. Or simply because we will run out of food. But please don't make in this into pseudo-science...

**Papewaio** · 06-14-2006, 09:22

Originally Posted by A.Saturnus

It isn't. Quite the contrary. At the moment we have exponential growth of population. The laws of thermodynamics require that the rise has to stop and population reach a (meta-)stable level. The concern is how this happens.

Are we using the actual 3 laws of thermodynamics or the couple of non-physics ones tacked on the end like a couple of groupies desperate for some reflected glory?

The laws of thermodynamics (not the proposed core ones like maximum power theorem) obviously would lead to a point where there isn't enough energy to sustain life.

As it stands humans are the most common large mammal with over 6000,000,000 of us, while the next most common large mammal the crabeater seal numbers 15,000,000 to 40,000,000 ... a ratio of about 200:1 of humans to the next most common large mammal.

Obviously there is a lot of us. The question is how many more of us can there be and have a nice level of life that is sustainable and that will allow others to coexist at similar levels.

**doc_bean** · 06-14-2006, 10:07

Originally Posted by Papewaio

Obviously there is a lot of us. The question is how many more of us can there be and have a nice level of life that is sustainable and that will allow others to coexist at similar levels.

Soylent Green will solve all !