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cheers for the better translation, that sounds even better now.
Ok ok, calm down. This is not intended to make another "offensive to Muslims" BS. Remove such books of yours please. It is growing me tired.
In the last election AKP won the elections being the sole governing party. The party is a conservative one, particularly religious (disguised fanatic), rather than national (they are far from being nationalist actually). That prime minister Tayyip Erdoğan has photos kneeling near a sheikh (religious leader of some sect), taken not so long ago.
They have all the ministeries, including Ministry of Culture and Tourism. That decision was made claiming that the words "do not reflect history". I wonder how they decided that -weirdest excuse on the planet ever. We all know that "God does not exist" irritated some spider-minded (we call Islamic fanatics that way) dumb*** and they decided on removing that.
I did get into that dungeon, yes when you imagine yourself blinded and being pushed downstairs, you absolutely feel that "there can't be God there".
But this does not offend me. Noone ever got offended before. That translation plate was always there, and there were no freaks around demonstrating for its removal or that they'd crash and burn down that beauty or something else. AKP is the worst thing happened to Turkey with their blind eyes giving away all incentives to get our ***es into that EU thing. What's more they are overtaking "armchairs" like hell everywhere. The next worst puppet government is that of the Iraqi's. That pretty describes it.
But make sure, they can't do any further -the action is pretty publicized. There is such a great irritation towards the fanatic Islamics lately, especially after that assault to Counil Of State where some freak gunned 5 judges, killling one of them, screaming "We are soldiers of Allah".
In the last election AKP won the elections being the sole governing party. The party is a conservative one, particularly religious (disguised fanatic), rather than national (they are far from being nationalist actually). That prime minister Tayyip Erdoğan has photos kneeling near a sheikh (religious leader of some sect), taken not so long ago.
They have all the ministeries, including Ministry of Culture and Tourism. That decision was made claiming that the words "do not reflect history". I wonder how they decided that -weirdest excuse on the planet ever. We all know that "God does not exist" irritated some spider-minded (we call Islamic fanatics that way) dumb*** and they decided on removing that.
I did get into that dungeon, yes when you imagine yourself blinded and being pushed downstairs, you absolutely feel that "there can't be God there".
But this does not offend me. Noone ever got offended before. That translation plate was always there, and there were no freaks around demonstrating for its removal or that they'd crash and burn down that beauty or something else. AKP is the worst thing happened to Turkey with their blind eyes giving away all incentives to get our ***es into that EU thing. What's more they are overtaking "armchairs" like hell everywhere. The next worst puppet government is that of the Iraqi's. That pretty describes it.
But make sure, they can't do any further -the action is pretty publicized. There is such a great irritation towards the fanatic Islamics lately, especially after that assault to Counil Of State where some freak gunned 5 judges, killling one of them, screaming "We are soldiers of Allah".
You have some more info on that castle lefteyenine? Sounds like an interesting place.
Originally Posted by Fragony:
You have some more info on that castle lefteyenine? Sounds like an interesting place.
I visited the place three times. Bodrum is maybe the most known place of holiday to tourists. The castle is on a very dominative position located inwards the sea. There are Italian, English, French, German and Greek towers within the castle. The English tower is said to be the only building constructed by the English out of lands of England, the info says. I may be missing some more info on that. The dungeon is said to be used by the knights of St. John, by the way. The castle was bombarded and damaged by a French battleship in WWI, however it was repaired by the Italians.You have some more info on that castle lefteyenine? Sounds like an interesting place.
Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine:
We all know that "God does not exist" irritated some spider-minded (we call Islamic fanatics that way) dumb*** and they decided on removing that.
Interesting name for fanatics... child molestors are called rock spiders here.We all know that "God does not exist" irritated some spider-minded (we call Islamic fanatics that way) dumb*** and they decided on removing that.
Would really want to ask the Culture Minister about what parts of the Koran that have "no historical value". I mean, surely you can remove some words here and there and still maintain the same message. 
Never understood those people. What has changed from what your grandparents didn't bother at all with?
Usually you can catch on when something feels stupid by studying the historical note it would leave.
.... After 500 years it was concluded that it lacked historical value and was offensive and thus destroyed.
By a simular note for the Great Pyramids.
.... When they were dismantled by Muhammad 'Ali Pasha and the stones were used to make new river dams in the Nile.
(The chief engineer who wasn't too keen on that project made thorugh calculations that showed that stones from quarries was both cheaper and needed less men, thus stopping the project)
Never understood those people. What has changed from what your grandparents didn't bother at all with?
Usually you can catch on when something feels stupid by studying the historical note it would leave.
.... After 500 years it was concluded that it lacked historical value and was offensive and thus destroyed.
By a simular note for the Great Pyramids.
.... When they were dismantled by Muhammad 'Ali Pasha and the stones were used to make new river dams in the Nile.
(The chief engineer who wasn't too keen on that project made thorugh calculations that showed that stones from quarries was both cheaper and needed less men, thus stopping the project)
Wait a sec, let me put on my surprised face. I wonder if there is anything non-Muslim that wont offend some Muslims.
Originally Posted by yesdachi:
Wait a sec, let me put on my surprised face. I wonder if there is anything non-Muslim that wont offend some Muslims.
I'm sure LEN's response has already disproved you on that point? After all, hasn't the righteous Right always been crying for the "majority of the Muslim population" to "condemn their fanatics?"Wait a sec, let me put on my surprised face. I wonder if there is anything non-Muslim that wont offend some Muslims.
Beautiful castle, by the way. I hope none of the "spider-minded" efforts succeed. Hate to see a historical relic damaged by fanaticism.
I have read the article twice now, and nowhere in it did I find any mention of any individual or group of muslims calling for the inscription to be erased because they find it offensive.
That is not to say that I don't believe that Islam is not an overly sensitive religion that cannot tolerate any kind of criticism; I do. But the article seems to be jumping to a bit of a conclusion here.
That is not to say that I don't believe that Islam is not an overly sensitive religion that cannot tolerate any kind of criticism; I do. But the article seems to be jumping to a bit of a conclusion here.
Originally Posted by Goofball:
But the article seems to be jumping to a bit of a conclusion here.
That's why I called for the help of LEN and co. in finding out what it was all about.But the article seems to be jumping to a bit of a conclusion here.
Originally Posted by Goofball:
I have read the article twice now, and nowhere in it did I find any mention of any individual or group of muslims calling for the inscription to be erased because they find it offensive.
That is not to say that I don't believe that Islam is not an overly sensitive religion that cannot tolerate any kind of criticism; I do. But the article seems to be jumping to a bit of a conclusion here.
Care to explain why someone is bothering of the effort of trying to remove it otherwise? I have read the article twice now, and nowhere in it did I find any mention of any individual or group of muslims calling for the inscription to be erased because they find it offensive.
That is not to say that I don't believe that Islam is not an overly sensitive religion that cannot tolerate any kind of criticism; I do. But the article seems to be jumping to a bit of a conclusion here.
It's quite a difference between not bothering to preserve it and activly destroying it and I cannot see any rational decision behind it.
Originally Posted by Ironside:
Care to explain why someone is bothering of the effort of trying to remove it otherwise?
With what I could draw from the article, I can't explain it.Care to explain why someone is bothering of the effort of trying to remove it otherwise?
And neither can you.
Originally Posted by Goofball:
That is not to say that I don't believe that Islam is not an overly sensitive religion that cannot tolerate any kind of criticism; I do.
Compare them the to Christian Right, they're no worse in general...That is not to say that I don't believe that Islam is not an overly sensitive religion that cannot tolerate any kind of criticism; I do.
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