"obi wan has trained you well"

[Reverend Joe]

Hmm. no one else in this thread subscribes to the "Lucas just makes it all up as he goes along" theory then?

I do.

Actually, I kinda based it on the "stoned ramblings" theory. How the hell else do you come up with Chewbakka?

"Okay... so... we've got this big, hairy mutant ape guy... called chewy. It's short for Chewbakka. ...*makes wierd gurgling noise* That's how he talks. All the time."

[A.Saturnus]

Hmm. no one else in this thread subscribes to the "Lucas just makes it all up as he goes along" theory then?

Of course, but it matters into what it is later retconned.

I think Obi Wan lost intentionally because of several reasons. He didn't plan to meet Vader at all anticipated the possibility. He already knew that he couldn't win (just compare his fight with the one between Vader and Luke in Episode VI) and decided to go of with a trick to bring Vader a bit off balance.

Another question: how comes that Vader could be "prepared" at all, when he didn't even know the trick? Could it be that after seeing Obi Wan disappear like this that he somehow figured the thing out by himself? Or do you get it for free if you're the chosen one?

Edit: one thing I don't quite understand is how comes that so many people get all worked up about Jar-Jar Binks when they accepted Chewbakka, Ewokes and the gay robots?

[doc_bean]

Another question: how comes that Vader could be "prepared" at all, when he didn't even know the trick? Could it be that after seeing Obi Wan disappear like this that he somehow figured the thing out by himself? Or do you get it for free if you're the chosen one?

Vader became immortal too ? I really have to watch those movies again I guess....

Edit: one thing I don't quite understand is how comes that so many people get all worked up about Jar-Jar Binks when they accepted Chewbakka, Ewokes and the gay robots?

Jar Jar was 1000 times worse, easily. personally I never really minded the ewoks, Chewbakka just looked stupid, but wasn't all that annoying and the robots,w ell, they weren't in the movies as much as friggin' Jar-Jar.

But the Jar-Jar hate is wasted, all hate should be directed towards teenage Anakin, a far worse character by far.

[nokhor]

Edit: one thing I don't quite understand is how comes that so many people get all worked up about Jar-Jar Binks when they accepted Chewbakka, Ewokes and the gay robots?

amen brother, you are preaching to the faithfull. a similar thing is when people complain of the names in the prequels like qwi gonn jinn and jar jar as if obi wan kenobi or c3po were mesmerizing names.

[GeneralHankerchief]

amen brother, you are preaching to the faithfull. a similar thing is when people complain of the names in the prequels like qwi gonn jinn and jar jar as if obi wan kenobi or c3po were mesmerizing names.

Because all the names were based off of Obi-Wan Kenobi. I think the SW fans got tired of people having a hyphenated weird-sounding first name along with the last name.

Also, Jar Jar didn't kick Imperial butt. Chewbacca did.

[yesdachi]

Jar Jar is the lamest character ever in Star Wars.

[Byzantine Mercenary]

if they had just killed jar jar the emperor woulda never got into power!

[Papewaio]

Hmm. no one else in this thread subscribes to the "Lucas just makes it all up as he goes along" theory then?

Given that the other options would be:

"Gawd appeared before Lucas and said maketh this story..."

"I used a very powerful telescope and focused it on a galaxy far far away, due to the distance it was a long long time ago. I then transcribed the events that I saw..."

I think I will go with the one that he is just a mortal author who makes it up as he goes along...

[AntiochusIII]

"I used a very powerful telescope and focused it on a galaxy far far away, due to the distance it was a long long time ago. I then transcribed the events that I saw..."

Wait, it's not THAT!?

NOOooOOOOoooooooooOOO!!!!1one!!111! [/Lukescream]

[nokhor]

Also, Jar Jar didn't kick Imperial butt. Chewbacca did.

i heartily disagree that chewbacca at anytime and anyplace in the movies ever kicked butt. all he ever did was whine and he certainly looked tough, but he was nothing more than c3po in a gorilla suit.

[A.Saturnus]

Vader became immortal too ? I really have to watch those movies again I guess....

Yep, just watch the last sceen of Episode VII. The newest version of the film even has Hayden Christensen as Anakin in it.

Jar Jar was 1000 times worse, easily. personally I never really minded the ewoks, Chewbakka just looked stupid, but wasn't all that annoying and the robots,w ell, they weren't in the movies as much as friggin' Jar-Jar.

But the Jar-Jar hate is wasted, all hate should be directed towards teenage Anakin, a far worse character by far.

The robots have far more screen time then Jar Jar. They even have several sceens of their own and they appear in every episode. Jar Jar hardly appears after Episode I at all.
And for the teenage Anakin, well he was designed to be an ass.

[AwesomeArcher]

Episode VI you probably mean. Yea that was a nice touch when they redid the original three movies.

[yesdachi]

It has been too long since I have seen the movies; I can’t remember half of the things I want to with any clarity. I have just decided that this weekend I will watch all 6 again! It is fathers day after all and I can do whatever I want (after I finish all the things my wife tells me to ).

Alright, Fathers day weekend has come and gone and I am only thru the first 3 (I, II & III) but I really only need to watch the last 5 minutes of the III in order to answer my question about if you need to be “prepared” before you die if you want to go on as a spirit. As Yoda and ob1 are planning to go into hiding, Yoda tells ob1 that he needs to do some additional training while on tat. And Yoda says “and old friend has learned a path to immortality” speaking of qui gon.

I’m not sure how long it took qui gon to figure it out but apparently by III he knows it and teaches it to Yoda who teaches it to ob1, who is apparently ready to jump to the sprit world when he lets vader kill him in IV. I seems the only “prepared” they need to know is the knowledge of the ability or they have to figure it out like qui gon.

[lancelot]

i heartily disagree that chewbacca at anytime and anyplace in the movies ever kicked butt.

Not at all...in ep 4 he smacks a stromtrooper so hard it knocked him out, if not killed him...with one swing! In ep 5 he shoots a few troopers as he does in ep6...granted most other characters do as much if not more but there you go...

[Papewaio]

Yep, just watch the last sceen of Episode VII. The newest version of the film even has Hayden Christensen as Anakin in it.

Epidsode VI, in the orginal ones it was the guy who you see when Vadars face mask was removed... so at least in the orginal series it appeared to be something all Jedi could do, and that if you had a close enough relationship with them you could see them...

[nokhor]

Not at all...in ep 4 he smacks a stromtrooper so hard it knocked him out, if not killed him...with one swing! In ep 5 he shoots a few troopers as he does in ep6...granted most other characters do as much if not more but there you go...

let's compare furball to r2 eh? now there's the real hero in star wars in my opinion. the original star wars might have well been subtitled "the chase of r2" as the main plot revolves around the imperials trying to get that pesky little droid. it's r2 that holds the secret plans of the death star and who decides to risk his little self to get in the escape pod and leave before the stormtroopers can get the plans. what's his reward? , c3po whining all movie long, and luke wanting to wipe his memory clean.

r2 gets luke going with the quest to save the princess, and by running away forces luke to meet ob1. it's r2 that gets the hyperdrive fixed when its broken, he finds out that the princess is on the death star, he disables the tractor beam so they can fly the falcon out of there, and he saves them from the trash compactor. what's his reward? they send him on a suicide mission with boy wonder luke to blow up the death star where r2 gets shot in the head. what's his reward? they promise him a new coat of paint or some such while luke get's the medal. explain that to me.

in empire strikes back, luke after witnessing the defeat at hoth, becomes a traitor and deserts to go hide out in the swamps, but loyal r2 still hangs in there for his friend only to be manhandled by a green puppet. it's r2 that brings luke back to the real world by beeping out 'hey luke buddy, our x-wing is sinkin here' which convinces luke that he'd rather go die fighting the empire than be stuck in that godforsaken swamp forever.

in return of the jedi, its r2 that gives luke the lightsaber on jabba's barge allowing the rest to escape.

in the first new ones, it's r2 that gets, the qeens' ship repaired so they can escape and she just says a few trite words of thanks even though r2 just witnessed his entire family being shot off by the blockaders.

in the second new one, it's r2 that gets the two lovers back to reality by shutting off that rube goldberg/foundry playground they were running around in.

so chewie beating up a poor innocent stormtrooper that was just doing his job pales in comaparison.

[Papewaio]

R2 is a cross between a plot device, knowing sage and deus ex machina (I'm not sure if it was an on purpose pun by George Lucas).

[Reverend Joe]

R2 is a cross between a plot device, knowing sage and deus ex machina (I'm not sure if it was an on purpose pun by George Lucas).

Actually, I always thought of him as a whiny trash can. With wheels. Which makes him even more annoying.

[lars573]

I am sure I read it in a few places but I don’t remember where, it had to have been one of the expanded universe books, maybe even one of the kyle katarn books, that made reference to being prepared or at piece when you die in order to not be lost. But who knows what George was thinking, any explanation must have come after the movie was made and was the result of someone trying to make it make sense. Seems believable to me (at lease as believable as any of it ).

Vader chopping Kenobi's old wrinkly ass in half at the waist was too violent or something. So they had him vanish into thin air. Yes that's right Vader cut Obi-wan in half originally. The DVD box sets bonus materials have the original version of the scene.