Creation vs Evolution

[doc_bean]

Evolution, that's the way the world (universe works), cause and effect, action and reaction. Things don't *suddenly* appear.

Ad to why they would appear I wouldn't know, but then, when did God appear and why ? And why did he create the universe ? And why did he create it like it is ? A creator makes far less sense to me than evolution.

[KafirChobee]

Evolution, that's the way the world (universe works), cause and effect, action and reaction. Things don't *suddenly* appear.

Ad to why they would appear I wouldn't know, but then, when did God appear and why ? And why did he create the universe ? And why did he create it like it is ? A creator makes far less sense to me than evolution.

First, I voted evolution. However, I do not see a problem with evolution being within the plan of a supremebeing. Recall a Minister's sermon (in my youth) asking the question. "What is a day to God?" A day in creation could well be millions, even a billion years. He also said the Bible was a book of parables and fables meant to demonstrate how man should behave - it lays the ground work for law, but was not meant to be the law of man; so much as the moral guide to how one should conduct themselves within the confides of their society.

Those that expound on the idea that the bible is literal - miss the point entirely and miscue the meanings held in it.

Also, read recently (in PB) a readers response to a couple of honored "Darwin detractors" - Prof. Michael Behe & David Berlinski. The reader (Walt nobody) said: I would like to see the debate move away form "Where did man come from?" to the more germane question of "Where did this god come from?" The theists should ponder that and leave the rest of us alone.

To this I say, amen.

[Reenk Roink]

Gahism...

Evolution has too many questions not answered, and apparently nobody likes Creationism anymore...

[thrashaholic]

I voted evolution.

What I'd like to know though is, assuming a god created the universe, what does he get out of it? Why go to all the effort (although for an omnipotent being, I suppose it's no effort at all) of creating everything? Who's he trying to impress? What utility does he get from something so piffling compared to him?

I suppose there are worshippers, but why does an all-powerful being need puny little mortals to worship and justify him? Is he really that insecure? Surely if he wants worshippers, giving us free will was a bad idea....

Also, being omnipotent, he's done a pretty shoddy job. One would think he could have made something a bit more impressive, infinitely more in fact.

...this god character doesn't sound nearly as fantastic as he's made out to be...

[InsaneApache]

He is a jealous God and you will worhsip no one but He.

He sounds a bit insecure to me.

[Kagemusha]

I voted evolution.

What I'd like to know though is, assuming a god created the universe, what does he get out of it? Why go to all the effort (although for an omnipotent being, I suppose it's no effort at all) of creating everything? Who's he trying to impress? What utility does he get from so piffling compared to him?

I suppose there are worshippers, but why does an all-powerful being need puny little mortals to worship and justify him? Is he really that insecure? Surely if he wants worshippers, giving us free will was a bad idea....

Also, being omnipotent, he's done a pretty shoddy job. One would think he could have made something a bit more impressive, infinitely more in fact.

...this god character doesn't sound nearly as fantastic as he's made out to be...

These are ofcourse personal beliefs,so there are no right or wrong answers just opinions.But in my wiew its impossible to try to understand what an omnipotent force thinks and what can motivate it.Also i cant think that this kind of force would be inside the limitations of Good and Evil.Maybe he didnt have anything to do and created the universe so he would have something to observe.Or maybe he just dreamed of this universe and by accident it became reality.

[doc_bean]

First, I voted evolution. However, I do not see a problem with evolution being within the plan of a supremebeing.

Me neither really, I was talking about why god would have created a 'finished' world the way it is. Why are some planets older than others ? Why are some stars older than others ? What's the point of a shift in speices (evolution within a species) if God made them exactly like they were for a reason to begin with, did he change his mind ? Were did fossils come from ? Why did the dinosaurs go extinct if they did exist ?

That's the problems I have with 'Creation' as viewed by creationists. There could well be a creator, there might be point to an evolving universe, but that's a whole different story.

Myself, I can not comprehend the thought of thunder being a meteorological phenomenon. There must be a higher force at work. Besides, nobody has ever managed to make a thunder in a laboratory, thus proving that Thor exists.

I shall now write to my local school board, insisting they teach Germanic Gods as an alternative to unproven meteorolo

I fully support this movement.

[rory_20_uk]

I don't think that there must be something outside the universe, merely that we have no way of knowing. I find it easiest to unpeg "time" from the universe if it is placed outside it - even though the outside may only be a philisophical construct.

IMO the topic is as relevant as "Red: what does it smell like?"

[Papewaio]

IMO the topic is as relevant as "Red: what does it smell like?"

Well if I can figure out what white smells like, I could answer you with a good degree of accuracy. As white and red according to some makes an anchovy like smell.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Evelotion is demostratable through selective breeding and apparent throughout the world. I'm not budging on this one.

That doesn't mean of course that God didn't flick the "on" switch.