Creation vs Evolution

[Uesugi Kenshin]

Evolution.

Take a look at the common flu and its need of a new vaccine every year.

Being an atheist doesn't hurt either I suppose...

[Ianofsmeg16]

Creationism and Evolutionism are not mutually exclusive, but there are some blind sighted fundamentalists on both sides that refuse to see that.

[English assassin]

You know how evolution of one species into another can't be seen happening and therefore evolution is a faith?

Not any more http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2225929.html

Oh, why do I bother.

Creationism and Evolutionism are not mutually exclusive, but there are some blind sighted fundamentalists on both sides that refuse to see that

Actually they are wholly completely and utterly mutually exclusive. Ignorance and knowledge usually are.

[crossroad]

Evolution.

Take a look at the common flu and its need of a new vaccine every year.

Being an atheist doesn't hurt either I suppose...

The flu is still the flu. It was the flu when it was discovered, it has been the flu for years, and I guess it will continue to be the flu for a long time to come. Unless it has some how "evolved" into some sort of cancer or something of the sort. Do you think that is where aids came from? Seriously, just because it is adapting does not mean it is evolving.

[Papewaio]

Seriously, just because it is adapting does not mean it is evolving.

Seriously, just because it is falling does not mean it is under the influence of gravity.

[crossroad]

Seriously, just because it is falling does not mean it is under the influence of gravity.

What about, Falling in love. Falling asleep. Fall (the season). Are these under the influence of gravity?

[Papewaio]

Wow! I have never seen a creationist who was a literalist before...

A biological adaptation is an anatomical structure, physiological process or behavioral trait of an organism that has evolved over a period of time by the process of natural selection such that it increases the expected long-term reproductive success of the organism.

Falling is descent under gravity. All objects have mass and in the presence of sufficiently massive objects such as planets or moons they experience a strong attraction due to gravity. This is known as weight. If the force of gravity is not equalized by an opposite force directed away from the planet, the object will start to fall towards the center of mass of the system--in effect, towards the center of the planet. The acceleration of gravity is directly proportional to the mass of the planet. The planet will also fall towards the center of the system but, if the object is much less massive than the planet, this motion is imperceptible.

[crossroad]

I know what the flu is. You guys are missing my point. It is a viruses job to disrupt us biologically, but they will always be viruses. Yes, they will get better at their job, adapt, evolve if you want to use that word, but that does not mean viruses will evolve into something different.

[AntiochusIII]

I know what the flu is. You guys are missing my point. It is a viruses job to disrupt us biologically, but they will always be viruses. Yes, they will get better at their job, adapt, evolve if you want to use that word, but that does not mean viruses will evolve into something different.

Erm, virus has no "job." It's entire existence is justified by itself. Call that a circular logic, but that's how nature is. Survival is the end, surviving is the means. And by surviving viruses multiply and evolve, changing and keeping ahead. If it happens that viruses use parasitic means to survive, then, well? We aren't that different.

And viruses aren't even considered a living organism.

How about bacterias, which are the first living things, or at least the first as is discovered to date, as fossils confirm? How about the growth of bacteria into increasingly larger and more complex organisms, as we see working? How about the various homo-species? How about the link between birds and fish have been found? How about all the evidence involved?

Jeez. I really hate it when one side puts "the blame" on the other side without even providing their own evidence, and then say "your wrong im right" just like that. I don't know why I'm returning because debating with Creationists and Holocaust-deniers are two most annoying debates one could ever get into.

Let's just say you have not provided any evidence to support your thesis whereas we do, and au revoir.

[AntiochusIII]

The flu is still the flu. It was the flu when it was discovered, it has been the flu for years, and I guess it will continue to be the flu for a long time to come. Unless it has some how "evolved" into some sort of cancer or something of the sort. Do you think that is where aids came from? Seriously, just because it is adapting does not mean it is evolving.

This shows your understanding of "the flu" to be truly lacking. Indeed, to rely on a single phrase as some sort of serious understanding is most false.

We call it "the flu," but while we fail to distinguish between the evolving viruses that caused the disease(s), they are different. They have "evolved."

Second, cancer is not of the same caliber as "the flu," it is a "malfunctioning," a change, in the workings of cells, either from simple aging or from toxins, or from many other factors, or all combined. "The flu," on the other hand, are diseases caused directly by the interference of the viruses.

And there are of course diseases caused by bacteria, which also are fundamentally different.

And you are aware that aids is caused by viruses, right?

What about, Falling in love. Falling asleep. Fall (the season). Are these under the influence of gravity?

Oh dear.

You are aware these are languages right? How about metaphors, as in figures of speech?

Something like: God is grave; He falls into a pandemonium of rage, a fire of anger, which is expressed in cheesy metaphors?

Do you actually fall down the ground from actually falling in love?

No wait, don't answer that.