Creation vs Evolution

[crossroad]

So why did God create them if only to go extinct ? Wouldn't you say, some species surviving and others not is a sign of one species being better adapted than another ? Say, isn't this aking to evolution theory ?.

Actually, that's survival of the fittest, the natural progression of nature. Some species go extinct. Are you saying death is a way of advancement? Strange concept unless you are a Christian. But we can save that debate for another Thread.

Creationism is a reaction towards evolution theory, which is a scientific theory, creationism is religious dogma. Not accepting evolution (as a viable THEORY at least, and really, as the best theory we have right now) is indeed similar to not believing in gravity, as Pape pointed out already.

Actually, evolution is a reaction to creation, which obviously was the first belief. The Bible came before Origin of the Species. Have you looked up the word Theory? Theory does not mean Proven Fact.

Why do you want evolutionists do defend themselves btw, if creationism is that great explain to me what proof you have, don't point out the 'problems' with evolution, but give clear evidence pointing towards creation, say, all life having started around the same period would have been a good one, or all mammals having emerged during the same period even.

The burden of proof is upon the one who challenges the common paradigm.

Go back and read the beginning of this thread. I simply said I was a creationist. It is I who am having to defend myself by the onslot of evolution propaganda. Look up geochronometer. The majority of them suggest a young earth.

[doc_bean]

Actually, that's survival of the fittest, the natural progression of nature. Some species go extinct. Are you saying death is a way of advancement? Strange concept unless you are a Christian. But we can save that debate for another Thread.

So all creatures that live and have ever lived have been created and some creatures go extinct, so in the end there will only be one creature left ? Or just a few ? Now, does that mean there were humans when there were dinosaurs ? because that seems to be what you're implying here....

Actually, evolution is a reaction to creation,

Not really, evolution was a progression of scientific theory at the time, creation wasn't really taken into account. That's like saying the 'round earth' theory is a reaction to the flat earth belief. It isn't, one was a belief, not based on evidence, the other is a scientific theory, based on observation.

which obviously was the first belief. The Bible came before Origin of the Species. Have you looked up the word Theory? Theory does not mean Proven Fact.

No a scientific theory is a (mathematical) model of observed facts, based on extrapolation of certain observation a theory is formed to predict future observations. The theory that best predicts observations is considered the best, and if it's really good it can be accepted as truth (see gravity).

Go back and read the beginning of this thread. I simply said I was a creationist. It is I who am having to defend myself by the onslot of evolution propaganda. Look up geochronometer. The majority of them suggest a young earth.

You're defending yourself, or trying to, by attacking the opposing theory, it doesn't work that way. you have to prove why your theory is good or better, not (just) by pointing out the faults in the other theory but by providing solutions to the existing problems or even unexplained phenomena. Creationism has more holes than evolution, which we will gladly point out (and can) because we're protecting the established scientific theory. A new theory has little to no use if it doesn't at least explain everything the previous one could.

BTW if God could create the universe how he wanted, why wouldn't he have done it through evolution ? Can you accept the *possibility* of God AND evolution ?

[KafirChobee]

Actually, that's survival of the fittest, the natural progression of nature. Some species go extinct. Are you saying death is a way of advancement? Strange concept unless you are a Christian. But we can save that debate for another Thread.

Actually, evolution is a reaction to creation, which obviously was the first belief. The Bible came before Origin of the Species. Have you looked up the word Theory? Theory does not mean Proven Fact.

Go back and read the beginning of this thread. I simply said I was a creationist. It is I who am having to defend myself by the onslot of evolution propaganda. Look up geochronometer. The majority of them suggest a young earth.

CROSSROAD, first you use an evolutionary concept - "survival of the fittest". The primary theory expounded by Darwin; that and natural selection.

Second, you attempt to claim that evolutionists are re-acting to creationism. In fact, if you knew anything about Darwin as a man, you would know that he was a very devote Christian. That his observations, studies, and ultimate theories bothered him - however, he adjusted his faith to the realization that no man can fully know, comprehend, or understand the workings of God - or why he allowed evolution to progress beyond the dinasours.

Then you come to the time or measure of earth's, nay the universes existance. First you said it might be 60billion years, but once someone pointed out that the creationists believe it is 6,000 years you back it down to maybe 100,000.

A young earth? Well, if 3billion years is young - yes. It is younger than the universe.

I hold in part, with Doc Bean though. However for me a true Christian has no difficulty resolving evolution with their beliefs. Where as one that is in doubt feels it imparative to justify that the bible be taken verbatim - attempting to deny that God is wiser than they are.

BTW, which God? The old one or the new one?

*edited for spelling and some grammar - some.