Creation vs Evolution

**Kanamori** · 06-16-2006, 19:21

If there's no support, then there's no reason to warrant a conclusion. Creation may have happened as described, but until I'm shown the logic behind it, I have no justification to that belief. I also have no proof of many other things, and no disproof, and I wonder why one would believe one reasonless conclusion above all the others and w/o all the others.

**Kanamori** · 06-16-2006, 19:24

Originally Posted by yesdachi

“The righteous will live by faith.”

I say that the righteous must understand just how they are right, and they will be unable to be righteous w/ just faith to lead them.

**crossroad** · 06-16-2006, 20:01

Originally Posted by Kanamori

If there's no support, then there's no reason to warrant a conclusion. Creation may have happened as described, but until I'm shown the logic behind it, I have no justification to that belief. I also have no proof of many other things, and no disproof, and I wonder why one would believe one reasonless conclusion above all the others and w/o all the others.

The two basic thoughts here are, either, everything came from nothing, or everything came from something. (I know some are going to go crazy with that one) But, if you narrow it down, that is what you have. It is cause and effect at the core, as evolution is built on, but evolution does not have a cause for its origin. But the Big Bang is the cause, right? No, the Big Bang is the effect of something. I choose to believe that everything came from Something.

**doc_bean** · 06-16-2006, 20:10

Originally Posted by crossroad

The two basic thoughts here are, either, everything came from nothing, or everything came from something. (I know some are going to go crazy with that one) But, if you narrow it down, that is what you have. It is cause and effect at the core, as evolution is built on, but evolution does not have a cause for its origin. But the Big Bang is the cause, right? No, the Big Bang is the effect of something. I choose to believe that everything came from Something.

But what did that Something come from then ?

If you say that Something is God, why not say that something is the universe and it has always been, possible expanding and contracting, forever and ever and ever... ?

**crossroad** · 06-16-2006, 20:34

Originally Posted by doc_bean

But what did that Something come from then ?

If you say that Something is God, why not say that something is the universe and it has always been, possible expanding and contracting, forever and ever and ever... ?

Are you kidding me? You're trying to impose God-like characters on the Universe.

**doc_bean** · 06-16-2006, 20:40

Originally Posted by crossroad

Are you kidding me? You're trying to impose God-like characters on the Universe.

Why wouldn't I ? How is your theory of a God better than mine of an Eternal universe ?

Seriously, i can see the universe, or at least part of, God has yet to reveal Himself...

**crossroad** · 06-16-2006, 20:53

Originally Posted by doc_bean

Why wouldn't I ? How is your theory of a God better than mine of an Eternal universe ?

Seriously, i can see the universe, or at least part of, God has yet to reveal Himself...

I think you may be on to something doc. One more step and you may see what I see! And, if you look in the right places, maybe God will reveal Himself to you.

**crossroad** · 06-16-2006, 21:02

BTW, thank you for playing this game with me. I'm trying to answer all posts necessary, between work, home, family. I hope I do not sound abrasive in any of my posts, so please do not take offense.

Happy posting!

**Tribesman** · 06-16-2006, 22:24

Actually, that's survival of the fittest, the natural progression of nature.
Well bugger me sideways with a yardbrush and call me Sandra , crossroads understands evolution

**crossroad** · 06-16-2006, 23:21

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Actually, that's survival of the fittest, the natural progression of nature.
Well bugger me sideways with a yardbrush and call me Sandra , crossroads understands evolution

Yes, that is why I am a creationist.

**Papewaio** · 06-17-2006, 01:12

Originally Posted by crossroad

The two basic thoughts here are, either, everything came from nothing, or everything came from something. (I know some are going to go crazy with that one) But, if you narrow it down, that is what you have. It is cause and effect at the core, as evolution is built on, but evolution does not have a cause for its origin. But the Big Bang is the cause, right? No, the Big Bang is the effect of something. I choose to believe that everything came from Something.

Evolution is a theory in Biology.

The Big Bang is a snappy name made for media to descride the starting few seconds of our universe... it is part of a theory in Cosmology (Physics).

Gravity is a theory in Physics.

They are all separate theories.

Gravity has a cause for it: Classical version is the mass of objects attract each other. Relativity basically explains it as a warping of space... much like putting a bowling ball onto a trampoline will warp it, if you then place a tennis ball on the trampoline it will follow the warped fabric down to the bowling ball, if you gave the tennis ball a push it could circle the bowling ball... each circle would be an orbit.

Evolution: Is caused by things reproducing imperfectly. Overtime these errors will either kill the mutant (more likely) or give it a subtle advantage. No where in the theory of evolution is the Big Bang the cause of it. Evolution will work regardless of how the universe was started, if it has lasted for infinity or it had different laws of gravity.

In fact evolution may be the only theory that would consistently work across multiverses that have different laws of physics (it may be the only Meta-law so to speak).

Evolution and Gravity are separate theories, just as the Big Bang is too.

If everything came from something you have two sets of problems to solve... where did the something come from,
Quantum Physics:
random nature therefore untraceable cause and effect,
singularities
vacuum created particles (how we see black holes for instance).