Ok, I'm seeing a trend that I've seen in other debates of this nature:

'Creationists' attack evolution instead of defending creationism.

'Evolutionists' attack creationism instead of defending evolution.

This is why these kind of discussions are...

Anyway, it may just be that I am an enlightened Gahist , but I would rather change these debates up, say a theistic evolution vs. naturalistic evolution discussion...