Creation vs Evolution

[rory_20_uk]

I know Crossroad personally, and he told me that's what he was talking about.

Whoops! My bad!!

If Natural Selection is Evolution, and it's the Natural Selection I believe, then I guess Evolution is believable. Of course, the dating of the Earth also gets in the way of the whole thing. Also, the amount of change within the animals messes up that too. Natural Selection doesn't say there's going to be a huge change, but Evolution does.

As you say, natural selection is small changes in a direction based on the environment.

And a small change in one direction over a long timeframe leads to a large change.

Some small mutations can have a massive effect on an organism. For example, if a STOP codon is removed, the DNA is read past a certain point, which can lead to many new protiens being created. Depending on what they are the result can be startling e.g. Albinos.

Or nothing may be seen on looking. Lots of mutations to the "junk" DNA can do nothing (although the term "junk" is being debated as it might be that we just don't know the function yet). Or there may be 5 copies of a gene and the chance stops one from working, so the other 4 just plough on.

Anyway, it's bloody late, and I'm going to have to turn in. c ya later

[Zain]

Whoops! My bad!!



As you say, natural selection is small changes in a direction based on the environment.

And a small change in one direction over a long timeframe leads to a large change.

Some small mutations can have a massive effect on an organism. For example, if a STOP codon is removed, the DNA is read past a certain point, which can lead to many new protiens being created. Depending on what they are the result can be startling e.g. Albinos.

Or nothing may be seen on looking. Lots of mutations to the "junk" DNA can do nothing (although the term "junk" is being debated as it might be that we just don't know the function yet). Or there may be 5 copies of a gene and the chance stops one from working, so the other 4 just plough on.

Anyway, it's bloody late, and I'm going to have to turn in. c ya later

I enjoyed talking with you, I hope you will think about what I have said, about Creationism and Christianity, as you know I will always think about the facts of science and Evolution.

[Zain]

Just a statement not having any direct link to recent discussion:

Evolution goes hand-in-hand with the Big Bang theory. This is because the explosion caused changes and started life and all that. If the Big Bang Theory was real, the number 1 unanswered question for that would be, where did the matter of the Big Bang come from? That's the hugest problem with that stupid theory. The only answer to that is God, who created all things in six days, and rested on the seventh, as an example for we humans to do the same. Just think about it, it doesn't matter if you believe in the seven day creation, only ponder the question. Where did the matter come from? Remember that God loves you, and wants you to accept him so you can be with him for all eternity in Heaven.

[Marcellus]

Evolution goes hand-in-hand with the Big Bang theory. This is because the explosion caused changes and started life and all that. If the Big Bang Theory was real, the number 1 unanswered question for that would be, where did the matter of the Big Bang come from? That's the hugest problem with that stupid theory. The only answer to that is God, who created all things in six days, and rested on the seventh, as an example for we humans to do the same. Just think about it, it doesn't matter if you believe in the seven day creation, only ponder the question. Where did the matter come from? Remember that God loves you, and wants you to accept him so you can be with him for all eternity in Heaven.

Evolution and the Big Bang theory are separate ideas. One is to explain how life became so diverse, the other how the universe came into being. That matter and life exist is certain. Evolution only tries to explain what happened to life once it came into existence. Whether we can explain where the matter came from is irrelevant to (biological) evolution.

Also, it is a mistake to say that just because we're not sure where matter came from then it must have come from a god of some sort.

P.S. I've been wondering, why would an omnipotent god have to take a day off to rest? Wouldn't creating a universe be a fairly easy task to an all-powerful being, hardly worthy of an entire day's rest?

[crossroad]

Also, it is a mistake to say that just because we're not sure where matter came from then it must have come from a god of some sort.

Science is about drawing conclusions from existing data. The existing data says, something can not come from nothing. So, concerning the quesiton of matter, the only logical answer is God.

P.S. I've been wondering, why would an omnipotent god have to take a day off to rest? Wouldn't creating a universe be a fairly easy task to an all-powerful being, hardly worthy of an entire day's rest?

Why not take six seconds to create everything? I think the six day work, one day rest, was an example of how we should live. Work-aholics usually live unhealthy lives. How awesome would that be if God was thinking of us when he decided to work six and rest one?

[Marcellus]

Science is about drawing conclusions from existing data. The existing data says, something can not come from nothing. So, concerning the quesiton of matter, the only logical answer is God.

Hardly - absence of a definite theory at the present time is no reason to suppose that the only possible answer is something supernatural. The Greeks had no idea what could naturally cause lightning, so they assumed that it had to be supernatural (the weapons of Zeus). Our current knowledge about lightning shows how unwise it is to assume that where no current theory exists, the only possible answer is supernatural.

Why not take six seconds to create everything? I think the six day work, one day rest, was an example of how we should live. Work-aholics usually live unhealthy lives. How awesome would that be if God was thinking of us when he decided to work six and rest one?

Fair enough. My question was to do with the word 'rest'. To me 'rest' implies that creating the universe was tiring. I suppose that there could be other meanings to the word rest that wouldn't imply that it was tiring.

Well, it's getting late over here and I'm going to bed. Goodnight all.

[Zain]

good night Marcellus

[doc_bean]

Evolution goes hand-in-hand with the Big Bang theory.

No, they doth disagree with creationism, but they don't go hand in hand. There is afaik far more uncertainty about the Big Bang theory than there is about evolution. Although recent measurement of 'background radiation' seems like an indication that the Big Bang theory might be true.

Evolution theory can be backed by fossil records, rudimentary organs, DNA findings, and theoretical models of evolution. These say nothing about the Big bang.

Both theories are only related to a Creationist, since they are both different theories that contradict their theory.