Creation vs Evolution

[rory_20_uk]

Being wrongly diagnosed can get noticed

Really? How does the patient / family know? The doctors generally stick together, so will not say that they've mistreated you.

My "favourite" example is the lady who came in with a new onsent irregular heart and shortness of breath. The consultant on was the Infectious Disease consultant, who incidentally had helped choose the antibiotic she had been on during her last admission.

For 3 days was treated for pneumonia, before coming up to my ward. I remembered her, and so ordered a stool sample to be tested. C. Difficile! So we started treatment.
Next day she went to HDU
Next day she died.

[doc_bean]

Really? How does the patient / family know? The doctors generally stick together, so will not say that they've mistreated you.

Well, a first wrong diagnosis nearly made me blind, a second one nearly killed me. I'm glad they don't all stick together and cover eachothers mistakes at any cost...

Actually, in both cases the original diagnosis was 'don't worry, nothing's wrong, it will stop by itself'. And people wonder why I don't thrust doctors much anymore

[rory_20_uk]

Doctors generally have legal insurance. And every few months (never bothered to work out how frequently) we get sent a magazine with some of the latest bloopers in it. People loose limbs, go blind, etc etc due to in some cases cringeworthy diagnosis. Although these are "learning points", I'm sure it's done to ensure we keep paying the fees.

[doc_bean]

People here hardly sue doctors though. I think it might have something to do with the continental legal system. Too bad I wasn't old enough to sue in either case

[rory_20_uk]

Here they do. They are suing doctors more and more. And it is having a bad effect on how doctors do things. More and more we do things "because otherwise you'll get sued". Not a good way to practice medicine.

And did you know: in the UK 85% of medical notes would not pass legal scrutiny. 95% of surgical notes wouldn't pass legal scrutiny.

So, if you sue a doctor / hospital there's a very good chance that they'll be hampered by the poor quality of their own notes. Also hospitals are so scared of getting labelled as a "bad" hospital they'll generally settle out of court.

[doc_bean]

Here they do. They are suing doctors more and more. And it is having a bad effect on how doctors do things. More and more we do things "because otherwise you'll get sued". Not a good way to practice medicine.

Yeah, that's what people fear would happen here too. Still, there should be some way of stopping incapable doctors though, the problem is, i guess, that there are too few doctors to begin with, so the standards for mediacal students aren't as high as they should be.

So, if you sue a doctor / hospital there's a very good chance that they'll be hampered by the poor quality of their own notes. Also hospitals are so scared of getting labelled as a "bad" hospital they'll generally settle out of court.

Pretty much any hospital here works at maximum capacity (shortage of rooms is not a rarity) so they don't really have much to fear. Probably why the 'hospital bacteria' is so common here these days.

[rory_20_uk]

Yeah, that's what people fear would happen here too. Still, there should be some way of stopping incapable doctors though, the problem is, i guess, that there are too few doctors to begin with, so the standards for mediacal students aren't as high as they should be.

Medical student grades in Britain are as tough as it gets. But grades are not the be all and end all of a good doctor. To decide who is a good doctor in 5 to 6 years time is impossible - even if the applicant is honest at interview. If they are trying to get to positions of responsibility to abuse them they'll be almost impossible to catch.

[Redleg]

Its really not all that hard to fanthom a religious view on creation and evolution that exists in harmony with each other.

The problem exists when extremists on both sides attempt to force others into their belief system.

[Tribesman]

And still your views aren't backed by anything you say. Still you only ridicule.
Its quite simple , can you explain the workings of a rainbow , you know the light reacting through the water , now corelate that information with scripture , find any problems do you ?????
Yep its ridiculous .
Now , do you want to deal with pitch , or if you want you could explore the problems with shipbuilding , launching and grounding which make the ark story impossible , but stick with pitch for now , what do the creationists claim about these deposits and when they were formed ?
once again ridiculous .
How about the insects then , it appears that crossroad does not know scripture does he , is he is making it up as he goes along ?
so starting a discussion on the basis of something you do not know very well , but with a strong yet unworkable viewpoint....ridiculous .
Talking of scripture , can you spot how many other serious errors he has made in his claims ? you do know scripture don't you ? especially those parts that deal with the story of creation and the flood ?
Perhaps not
Trying to mix science and faith , yet disregarding the core of each , truly a task for those whose faith and knowledge is lacking .

You have no life, as everyone here can see from your 4,800 posts!
Hmmmm...now what did I write earlier ? I think you may have quoted it somewhere .....

[Zain]

Its quite simple , can you explain the workings of a rainbow , you know the light reacting through the water , now corelate that information with scripture , find any problems do you ?????
Yep its ridiculous .
Now , do you want to deal with pitch , or if you want you could explore the problems with shipbuilding , launching and grounding which make the ark story impossible , but stick with pitch for now , what do the creationists claim about these deposits and when they were formed ?
once again ridiculous .
How about the insects then , it appears that crossroad does not know scripture does he , is he is making it up as he goes along ?
so starting a discussion on the basis of something you do not know very well , but with a strong yet unworkable viewpoint....ridiculous .
Talking of scripture , can you spot how many other serious errors he has made in his claims ? you do know scripture don't you ? especially those parts that deal with the story of creation and the flood ?
Perhaps not
Trying to mix science and faith , yet disregarding the core of each , truly a task for those whose faith and knowledge is lacking .

And yet, nothing about your own beliefs. Only ridiculing someone else.

Hmmmm...now what did I write earlier ? I think you may have quoted it somewhere .....

And now, you make no sense.