Bashir Free

[Papewaio]

[QUOTE=doc_bean
Regardless he spoke out against bombing public areas, that seems like a good thing doesn't it ? [/QUOTE]

Nope, only no bombing in safe areas... ie Indonesia, outside is fair game.

[x-dANGEr]

I think he means the cause justifies the way.

[Ja'chyra]

I think he means the cause justifies the way.

Is this like the end justifies the means? Cos if it is then you're wrong, such a broad ranging statement can't be anything but wrong.

What if a religion said that all unbelievers must be killed, would that justify them killing everyone else in the world? To them that would be a good and holy cause.

[x-dANGEr]

Is this like the end justifies the means? Cos if it is then you're wrong, such a broad ranging statement can't be anything but wrong.

What if a religion said that all unbelievers must be killed, would that justify them killing everyone else in the world? To them that would be a good and holy cause.

P.S. I'm not saying I support it.

Doh?!

If you compare what those movements preach compared to what the average muslim preach you'll see a bit of difference.

Probably.

If those movements gain strength they will focus on those differences and will become increasingly violent and aggresive. At some point they'll reach the strength were they're dominant and at this point they'll probably purge instead of reforming after reaching thier original goals.

Their is no incident to support this. The whole phase will be like: "You can never know".

[Ironside]

Their is no incident to support this. The whole phase will be like: "You can never know".

Not Islamic movements on the top of my mind, but quite a few communistic movements has had that pattern.
Notice that it isn't uncommon that tthe more violent movement is getting couped out if they have been doing well on reching the original goals.

Anyway, any aggresive movement is always dangerous and becomes more dangerous the bigger they become.

[doc_bean]

Doh?!

Probably.
Their is no incident to support this. The whole phase will be like: "You can never know".

Sunnites versus Shiites ?

[PanzerJaeger]

There is something to be said for locking this type of person in an internment camp indefinitely.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

There is something to be said for locking this type of person in an internment camp indefinitely.

I disagree.

If he incites to violence -- not simply says he feels sympathy for the cause -- then by all means prosecute. Short of that, it is the price we all pay for freedom of speech.

I also disagree with his implied support for violence.

[Papewaio]

If those movements gain strength they will focus on those differences and will become increasingly violent and aggresive. At some point they'll reach the strength were they're dominant and at this point they'll probably purge instead of reforming after reaching thier original goals.

Doh?!
Their is no incident to support this. The whole phase will be like: "You can never know".

Actually their is a saying "Who will save the saved from their saviour?" it is a reference to the winners in armed struggles who once they are in power rarely give up their tools of violence. Quite often in countries you can see a violent dictator being fought by "freedom fighters" who have a virtous claim. However once the freedom fighters are in power they give themselves complete control and oppress anyone who will try for true freedom.

Cuba, Zimbabwee, Soviet Revolution, heck even George Washington was given the option of being King of the US ... he is one of the very few who didn't take the option.

I'm sure a brief look at history and you will find Islamic conflicts where someone has taken power against dictators and their ilk with words that they are doing it for the greater good. Later on when they are in power they become another form of dictator.

Very few violent revolutionaries don't stop using their methods after they gain power if they can get away with it.

[_Martyr_]

Well, Ireland is another example of one that didnt...

But granted, your point is a good one.