Swedish traditions offensive to...

[Radier]

Yes, you guessed right. Muslims.
At least that is what our ombudsman of dicrimination says when he criticizes schools for letting the children have the school finishing in church and sing "Blomstertid nu kommer", a psalm about summer. Oh how inhumane of us Swedes, wanting to keep our traditions. I know most muslims here are not offended by this but well, you know political correctness. In many schools singing the swedish national anthem is allready forbidden, and now some schools stop this beautiful tradition. The message is simple: We shall adapt to the muslims, not they to us. I am getting so tired of this and I know it's not allways the muslims fault, it's our multiculture-supportive politicians that hate everything what Swedish culture stands for. What shall we remove next? Midsummer celebratings? Christmas? Lucia?

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyhete...841952,00.html
The link is in swedish I'm afraid, but the title says: "God banned from school endings"

Is this kind of things happening in your countries too?

[Keba]

No, Muslims here number a few few hundred. Fortunately the PC crowd didn't get a foothold ... yet.

As for the PC crowd itself, I've met a few ... hated them. I mean, I'm all for not insulting other cultures, but at least let them tell me what they find offensive, not some nut who believes he is doing the right thing.

Since Musilms aren't complaining, why change it for them?

I swear, some people ...

[Spetulhu]

The sooner we get religion out of school the better. If some PC wacko can pull it off I'm all for it even if his reasons are wrong.

[Fragony]

Hehe, what a dutch thing to do

Could be worse, our queen 'respected' that an imam wouldn't shake her hand, which we consider a sign of great disrespect. She wants us to call her majesty though, etiquette thing, royal family is very strict with that. Of course she comes from a long line of cowards and collaboraters, her mother sending 'thank god the assasination attempt failed' telegrams to Hitler, and the minute he attacked us they fled to england. And to make it even more fun, her husband was a member of the dutch social nationalistic movement. So flexible

[x-dANGEr]

Different cultures are everywhere, and the only way to love through them is to respect other's beliefs and thoughts, as long as they don't attack yours. For instance, I'm a muslim, and no I have nothing against pupils graduating in the church (Even though I feel it's strange, but since this is your belief, and your country, I have nothing to do but off my respect to it). But the song, does it have any words that insult 'any' other religion?

[Narayanese]

compulsary churchgoing...
I hate that tradition (not many schools adhere to it, luckily), I hope the government bans it.

What shall we remove next? Midsummer celebratings? Christmas? Lucia?

None of those are religious (actually there's a religious variant of christmas too, on 25 Dec, but I think only a few elderly celebrate it, so I assume you mean the standard 24 Dec christmas with present-giving, Disney-film-watching, etc), so they have nothing to do with psalmsinging and churchgoing.

[Leet Eriksson]

the PC crowd should just shut up.

[Radier]

Different cultures are everywhere, and the only way to love through them is to respect other's beliefs and thoughts, as long as they don't attack yours. For instance, I'm a muslim, and no I have nothing against pupils graduating in the church (Even though I feel it's strange, but since this is your belief, and your country, I have nothing to do but off my respect to it). But the song, does it have any words that insult 'any' other religion?

Exactly. Most of the muslims in Sweden says the same. I mean, if I had moved to a muslim country I wouldn't have complained if we had school ending in a mosqé. "When in Rome, do as the Romans do".
The psalm included the word "God" it the second verse. That was the source of dislike and critiqe.

Narayanese: I am not religious, but I like many of our customs. Only a small small number of muslims are really offended by this and yet some people want to abolish it allthough the majority wants it as it is. Quite non-democratic to allways see to the minorities don't you think. I am offended by DO:s stupid decision, but I don't see anyone care about what I think...

[Bulawayo]

I am offended by DO:s stupid decision, but I don't see anyone care about what I think...

Your beloved party does, no? SD that is.

[Fragony]

Article is too hard too read for me, did some muslims actually complain or is was it the usual bulldozer squad?

[Radier]

Article is too hard too read for me, did some muslims actually complain or is was it the usual bulldozer squad?

I havn't heard any complaining from muslims. But our schoolminister is muslim so I am not sure. They are all leftists anyway...

Bulawayo: Why do you say so?? You think I am racsist too just because I value swedish customs and traditions?

You guys shall se the response on swedish discussion boards. Allmost everyone think this is wrong. Yet the politicians never cease to amaze us.

[Fragony]

Bulawayo: Why do you say so?? You think I am racsist too just because I value swedish customs and traditions?

Isn't it typical huh. I guess celebrating in a church sins against two of the pillars of the one and only true faith, the multiculture(may god help us all)
1) thou shalt not value your own traditions for we are all sinners
2) OLOL CHRISTIANS SUCK

[x-dANGEr]

Exactly. Most of the muslims in Sweden says the same. I mean, if I had moved to a muslim country I wouldn't have complained if we had school ending in a mosqé. "When in Rome, do as the Romans do".
The psalm included the word "God" it the second verse. That was the source of dislike and critiqe.

Narayanese: I am not religious, but I like many of our customs. Only a small small number of muslims are really offended by this and yet some people want to abolish it allthough the majority wants it as it is. Quite non-democratic to allways see to the minorities don't you think. I am offended by DO:s stupid decision, but I don't see anyone care about what I think...

Do muslims have to sing the song which apparently opposes their beliefs?

[rory_20_uk]

I don't know, but they certainly don't have to live in Sweden.

[x-dANGEr]

Good point, but that isn't the way things are going on in the world nowadays. Everyone is trying to achieve the concept: No racism, and equal treatment, wherever you are, and one of a human's rights is freedom of religion. So, if a country would decline that (By making someone oppose his own religion through a must-read song), I think it would be against the Human rights, and would get a lot of pressure from the foundation of humans' rights.

[InsaneApache]

Relgion, all of them have no place in schools. Schools are places of learning. If you want religion, then attend the local church/temple/mosque/pyramid/temple/stone circle, what takes your fancy.

[Ja'chyra]

Relgion, all of them have no place in schools. Schools are places of learning. If you want religion, then attend the local church/temple/mosque/pyramid/temple/stone circle, what takes your fancy.

Normally I'd agree, but there is also the view that tradition is simply that, a tradition, and shouldn't be changed simply because a few don't like it.

x-dANGEr

Good point, but that isn't the way things are going on in the world nowadays. Everyone is trying to achieve the concept: No racism, and equal treatment, wherever you are, and one of a human's rights is freedom of religion. So, if a country would decline that (By making someone oppose his own religion through a must-read song), I think it would be against the Human rights, and would get a lot of pressure from the foundation of humans' rights

It may well be against what some people would term human rights but I don't believe it is, what actually happens if people refuse to sing along? Do they go to jail, are they punished? I seriously doubt it. In the end some poeple may say that they don't want to sing or attend, explain their reasons and that will be that. Should the vast majority of people change their traditions to accomodate a small minority? In some cases yes, in this case no. I still believe that the emphasis to integrate is on the immigrant, not all of the responsibility but definately the majority of it.

[Husar]

(By making someone oppose his own religion through a must-read song)

So far noone ever cared whether I open my mouth while everybody else is singing or not.

I´m a christian myself, I am protestant, I don´t like the catholic church much, but apart from it being usually very boring, I have nothing against going into a catholic church, I don´t see how that would affect my psyche or my beliefs in a bad way.
I agree with Faisal of course.

[orangat]

Yes, you guessed right. Muslims.
At least that is what our ombudsman of dicrimination says when he criticizes schools for letting the children have the school finishing in church and sing "Blomstertid nu kommer", a psalm about summer.
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http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyhete...841952,00.html
The link is in swedish I'm afraid, but the title says: "God banned from school endings"

Is this kind of things happening in your countries too?

So Muslim students have to finish their schooling in church as well?

[x-dANGEr]

Yes, that's my point. Which's why I asked the question:

Do muslims have to sing the song which apparently opposes their beliefs?

And I got no reply except for someone saying that if they don't like, they aren't forced to live in Sweden:

I don't know, but they certainly don't have to live in Sweden.

[Fragony]

Of course they don't have to sing if they don't want to, nobody could enforce that.

[Ironside]

Do muslims have to sing the song which apparently opposes their beliefs?

Nope they don't have to, not more than the Swedish students. But I find it weird that they should oppose a song that celebrates the coming of the summer and in the second verse thanks God for it.

While it certainly feels like the purging of God from everything, the tradition certainly comes from when the church was merged with the state. But I do think that it should be up to the induvidual schools to decide.

[Bulawayo]

I havn't heard any complaining from muslims. But our schoolminister is muslim so I am not sure. They are all leftists anyway...

Bulawayo: Why do you say so?? You think I am racsist too just because I value swedish customs and traditions?

You guys shall se the response on swedish discussion boards. Allmost everyone think this is wrong. Yet the politicians never cease to amaze us.

Sorry Radier, I didn't mean to be rude, more like a reaction to "nobody cares" when I indeed know that SD cares. Neither do I call you racist, but after all SD is your beloved party, and I don't call them racist. Damn, I have more racist friends from other continents than Swedish racist friends

One more thing, Mr Ibrahim Baylan is Syrian, a christian arab and not muslim at all.

[rory_20_uk]

On the topic of countries that are NOT inclusive, I can think of a few... Funnily enough they are almost exclusively Muslim countries!

Perhaps one song is not as bad as a country that one can get locked up for saying that perhaps Islam isn't the best thing ever.

[Kralizec]

Could be worse, our queen 'respected' that an imam wouldn't shake her hand, which we consider a sign of great disrespect. :

Wich was odd, since she didn't give orthodox rabbis the same courtesy a couple of decades back.

her mother sending 'thank god the assasination attempt failed' telegrams to Hitler

I take it you mean her grandmother, Wilhelmina? Even then it smells like BS.

[Fragony]

I take it you mean her grandmother, Wilhelmina? Even then it smells like BS.

'Gelukstelegram hitler koninklijk huis' do da google (ya grandmother my bad)

Wich was odd, since she didn't give orthodox rabbis the same courtesy a couple of decades back.

Oh? I didn't know that. Makes it even more yummie.

[doc_bean]

I don't know, but they certainly don't have to live in Sweden.

Neither did the Jews in Nazi Germany....

Do they actually HAVE to attend ? Can't they just skip school for a day ?
Besides, going to church isn't a sin for a muslim iirc, as long as they stay true to Allah in their heart, so there isn't really a problem here, is there ?

[rory_20_uk]

Neither did the Jews in Nazi Germany....

Very trite. So are you comparing the two, or just making larks?

[doc_bean]

Very trite. So are you comparing the two, or just making larks?

I just thought your comment stupid, in a 'they don't belong here' kind of way. If you are just talking about people offended by the tradition then I'd agree, but it seemed to be aimed at muslims in general.

[rory_20_uk]

Ah, so as you misunderstood my comment, you thought you'd post something really stupid. Clever...

Any group that immigrates to a country should be aware of the traditions of said country. If they don't like them, then don't go there.