I the Greeks keep this up you can hold out for 582/6 = 97 battles.
I think your reinforcements will have arrived by then
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II
I the Greeks keep this up you can hold out for 582/6 = 97 battles.
I think your reinforcements will have arrived by then
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II
Killing a Greek army with six men might be a tiny bit challenging.
But then of course, that's just me.
Student by day, bacon-eating narwhal by night (specifically midnight)
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II
Just for role-play reasons, has Vibius Pleminius (My avatar) yet reached the city?
"Cry, the beloved country, for the unborn child that is the inheritor of our fear. Let him not love the earth too deeply. Let him not laugh too gladly when the water runs through his fingers, nor stand too silent when the setting sun makes red the veld with fire. Let him not be moved when the birds of his land are singing, nor give too much of his heart to a mountain or a valley. For fear will rob him of all if he gives too much."
Cry, the Beloved Country by Alan Paton.
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II
Tiberius, he lost just six men in his first battle. If the Greeks keep sending tiny armies, he should be able to keep it up for 97 battles
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II
Originally Posted by econ21
Simon, in future could you add a post each time you do a report, rather than editing your current one? I nearly missed your update as it wasn't down as an unread thread.
Regarding the editing of traits - I was wondering if we could take this a bit further and actually asign the Consul trait to the current holder, and when their 5 years is up, give them the Former Consul trait?
Also related to Consuls, in the RP-ing sense, now that we're getting something of an Empire together, shouldn't we give former Consuls a nice cushy (and profitable for them) Governorship after they leave the Ivory Chair? We will soon have 3 former Consuls (assuming Quintus lives that long), so how about the 3 largest cities all get a former Consul as governor?
"I request permanent reassignment to the Gallic frontier. Nay, I demand reassignment. Perhaps it is improper to say so, but I refuse to fight against the Greeks or Macedonians any more. Give my command to another, for I cannot, I will not, lead an army into battle against a civilized nation so long as the Gauls survive. I am not the young man I once was, but I swear before Jupiter Optimus Maximus that I shall see a world without Gauls before I take my final breath."
Senator Augustus Verginius
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II
I recommend against adding the consul trait to the 'acting consul'. This might cause a nasty bug as it will mean the character has 'inconsistent' traits as he will not have enough military service to atually qualify for having that trait. It seems the engine is pretty forgiving about characters having impossible traits, like a trait and its antitrait for example, but why push it ?Regarding the editing of traits - I was wondering if we could take this a bit further and actually asign the Consul trait to the current holder, and when their 5 years is up, give them the Former Consul trait?
Also related to Consuls, in the RP-ing sense, now that we're getting something of an Empire together, shouldn't we give former Consuls a nice cushy (and profitable for them
My recommendation is that consuls can serve as active consuls for five years and then take up a governship as former consuls. I will do that with my character if he lives that long. I would make this entirely voluntary on the part of the players.
On this issue I will also recommend giving econ21 the office of Pontifex Maximus.
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II
Yes, I mentioned that briefly in the First Consul report (it doesn't show new post because I edit the old one). He was involved in the most recent battle w/ the stack with the Spartans.
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II
Quintus is now an ex-Consul because he is governor of Apollonia. Spend two seasons in a settlement and you lose the Roman command traits, becoming ex-whatever.
I agree as a general guideline that a more passive posting is suitable for the first 5 years after being a First Consul, to simulate them stepping down. I would not want to make it permanent though.
Don't worry about giving Quintus an office - he is not long for this world. But TinCow can feel free to assign the other to offices to himself and DDW in lieu of the ancillaries we voted for them.
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II
I disagree. You have done more for this PBeM than TinCow or me and it would feel wrong for me if you were not awarded with something also. If not Quintus, then your next character. Besides, I think it would be pretty neat to have an official Pontifex Maximus
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II
Ok, you've persuaded me.I think these offices are for the player, not the character, so they should be passed on to our next characters as well, so long as we keep working for the PBM.
The Office of Pontifex Maximus is a Senate position responsible for religion and morals; AFAIK the trait gives +4 influence. Quintus is already his influence cap of 10, but it would be a big deal for a youngster.
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II
Which you may have soon. I played the battle through once and lost. I managed to kill a bit over 50% of them, including the general, but they simply overwhelmed me. I probably could have done a bit better, but you're really going to have to pull off something spectacular to win this battle. No matter what you do, heavy use of both bodyguards is required, and since 90% of the Greek army is hoplites, that poses high risks. I think the Senate Memorial will be opening soon.
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II
Why is it so hard is because of the bug about the 'spear butt'.. As when you charge a phalanx in the rear, you lose a 'lot' of your men to it, just because of that bug that gives 'braced' bonus not only against charges from front, but from behind too.. Oh, and it was introduced in 1.3 and continued in 1.5, and it is really annoying, more and specially in MP battles.
"Cry, the beloved country, for the unborn child that is the inheritor of our fear. Let him not love the earth too deeply. Let him not laugh too gladly when the water runs through his fingers, nor stand too silent when the setting sun makes red the veld with fire. Let him not be moved when the birds of his land are singing, nor give too much of his heart to a mountain or a valley. For fear will rob him of all if he gives too much."
Cry, the Beloved Country by Alan Paton.
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II
No, it's the RTR changes. In RTR cavalry is designed for one thing and one thing only: charging. Once they charge, they have to be withdrawn quickly or they will be slaughtered... they don't have the stats for melee with infantry. Top it off with the fact that it's difficult for a cavalry unit to get up enough speed for a charge in a city and the anti-cavalry bonus that spear units get, and you're asking for a dead general. Not that it makes a difference in this battle as far as I can see. I've played it three times now and never gotten close to a victory. econ21 is a very good player and if anyone can pull it off, he can... but this one has me beat.
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II
I do understand the RTR changes.. But upon charging in the normal in MP, my men get slaughtered, whatever they were and whatever they're charging (As long as it is phalanx), so nowadays cav is like a 1 blow unit.. Just my last battle, I waited till I found the right spot to charge Seleucids with my Sacred Bands, I charged and routed their whole army, but yet lost my 3 Sacred band units..
"Cry, the beloved country, for the unborn child that is the inheritor of our fear. Let him not love the earth too deeply. Let him not laugh too gladly when the water runs through his fingers, nor stand too silent when the setting sun makes red the veld with fire. Let him not be moved when the birds of his land are singing, nor give too much of his heart to a mountain or a valley. For fear will rob him of all if he gives too much."
Cry, the Beloved Country by Alan Paton.
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II
DDW, by the time he's at the 97th battle, he'll have nought but 6 men remaining. I seriously doubt his ability to win at that stageTiberius, he lost just six men in his first battle. If the Greeks keep sending tiny armies, he should be able to keep it up for 97 battles
Student by day, bacon-eating narwhal by night (specifically midnight)
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II
True enough :~)DDW, by the time he's at the 97th battle, he'll have nought but 6 men remaining. I seriously doubt his ability to win at that stage
Last edited by Death the destroyer of worlds; 06-25-2006 at 17:29.
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II
Ahhh, now thats what I'm talking about! Good ole epic battles, just like we used to have in MTW
Outstanding write-up Simon, one of your best
"I request permanent reassignment to the Gallic frontier. Nay, I demand reassignment. Perhaps it is improper to say so, but I refuse to fight against the Greeks or Macedonians any more. Give my command to another, for I cannot, I will not, lead an army into battle against a civilized nation so long as the Gauls survive. I am not the young man I once was, but I swear before Jupiter Optimus Maximus that I shall see a world without Gauls before I take my final breath."
Senator Augustus Verginius
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II
Man.. You made me wish I was Pleminius for real..
"Cry, the beloved country, for the unborn child that is the inheritor of our fear. Let him not love the earth too deeply. Let him not laugh too gladly when the water runs through his fingers, nor stand too silent when the setting sun makes red the veld with fire. Let him not be moved when the birds of his land are singing, nor give too much of his heart to a mountain or a valley. For fear will rob him of all if he gives too much."
Cry, the Beloved Country by Alan Paton.
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II
Excellent write up, Simon. Keep up the good work :~)
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II
I wonder if DDW will take an anti-Iberian stance in this campaign after today, specifically with the objective of making the region of Lusitania uninhabitable.
Βασιλεοπατωρ Ισαακιος Κομνηνος
Basileopator Isaakios Komnenos
(Save Elberhard)
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II
Ah, this is why I joined the campaign- epic battles, beautiful write-ups. I'm definitely going to move to the Lower House once my character dies.
...of course, this would first require me to get better at battles so I don't completely panic when faced with a situation like Appollonia...
"I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
"Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
"I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
Mafia: Promoting peace and love since June 2006
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II
That could be quite a wait - you don't have to wait that long. Just post here the moment you want to join the Lower House and I'll put you in the fast tracked Lower House queue for new generals (x-DANGEr is the only one in that queue at the moment). I think TinCow said we have some kids who will be maturing quite soon and more settlements should lead to more generals too.
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II
Glad to know that there will be a character waiting for me when I join, but I'll wait a bit anyway. I want to make sure there is a lot of time available when I download everything required, and after that I'm going to need some time to practice battling in RTR.
"I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
"Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
"I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
Mafia: Promoting peace and love since June 2006
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II
Well, I have really enjoyed this PBeM. But I have to leave this great Senate this wednesday to go work at a sleep away camp. Should be good fun, though it does mean no total war for two whole months! I might suffer from withdrawl. Anyway, come wednesday, Publius Pansa I guess is up for grabs. I hope this is still going in August when I return, so I can pick up a new guy and continue. Until then though, Strength and Honor to you all!
HBO Rome:
Mark Anthony:I shall be a good Politican, even if it kills me... or anyone else for that matter.
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II
...of course, this would first require me to get better at battles so I don't completely panic when faced with a situation like Appollonia...
I wouldn't worry about that, the Romans had plenty of generals who did panic in battle
Glaucus have fun mate :wave:
"I request permanent reassignment to the Gallic frontier. Nay, I demand reassignment. Perhaps it is improper to say so, but I refuse to fight against the Greeks or Macedonians any more. Give my command to another, for I cannot, I will not, lead an army into battle against a civilized nation so long as the Gauls survive. I am not the young man I once was, but I swear before Jupiter Optimus Maximus that I shall see a world without Gauls before I take my final breath."
Senator Augustus Verginius
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II
Good idea, I'll see what can be done :~)I wonder if DDW will take an anti-Iberian stance in this campaign after today, specifically with the objective of making the region of Lusitania uninhabitable.
Glaucus, lots of fun ! We will surely miss your input on the senate floor.
For your amusement and historical value :
Centurion
Walls of Rome
Finally, I went to the trouble to find out if there really is a bug in VH combat in RTW that makes it very easy. It turns out there actually is such a bug, but only in the custom battles. So VH battles in the the campaign are really VH. It have not been able to determine if this bug in custom battles was patched out.
Last edited by Death the destroyer of worlds; 06-26-2006 at 11:31.
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II
I'm pretty sure it was.
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II
Yes, because a Sughidian Warriors unit can beat a Plumbtarii unit easily on medium, but also lose easily against it on VH.
EDIT: Oh adn give me an avatar come on, so I can discuss you in the 'in-character' thread..
Last edited by x-dANGEr; 06-26-2006 at 13:22.
"Cry, the beloved country, for the unborn child that is the inheritor of our fear. Let him not love the earth too deeply. Let him not laugh too gladly when the water runs through his fingers, nor stand too silent when the setting sun makes red the veld with fire. Let him not be moved when the birds of his land are singing, nor give too much of his heart to a mountain or a valley. For fear will rob him of all if he gives too much."
Cry, the Beloved Country by Alan Paton.
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II
You can post as an anon Senator in the in-character thread - some of the Upper House still have to do that.
I will give you an avatar just as soon as TinCow updates the bios in the Senate library. I think a young new general has been spawned, although apparently he has virtually no vices or virtues yet.
There's also the possibility of taking over Publius Pansa from Glaucus, although you'd have to wait until after Wednesday for him.
BTW, if anyone else wants to make a bid for an avatar (e.g. someone with an agent who wants a general or an Upper House member without one), now is the time. I normally assign them by "seniority" but where players have not voted or participated much, I don't feel obliged to follow that too strictly. I suspect, everyone should have avatars over the next 5-10 years anyway.
EDIT: Ok, I've looked at the 265 savegame and you can take Gnaeus Hordeonius, aged 21, a tribune and "in the pink".
Last edited by econ21; 06-26-2006 at 14:52.
Re: The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II
You can have Publius Pansa on wednesday. I want to debate one more time though ;)
I'll PM with some stuff about him.
HBO Rome:
Mark Anthony:I shall be a good Politican, even if it kills me... or anyone else for that matter.
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