The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II

[GeneralHankerchief]

Thanks for the help, DDW.

My problem was twofold:

1. I didn't download the main extractor file thinking it was the landblock.
2. I renamed the files senate01, etc. when downloading which messed up the extracting.

Currently installing RTR Platinum, will update if it's successful or not. But so far all looks good. *crosses fingers*

UPDATE: I tried FLYdude's midterm savegame and it immediately crashed. My best bet will be just reinstalling everything, since I don't know what triggered it. I can do normal campaigns however, so it's probably not a problem with RTR.

I've been doing some research (read: DDW helping out YAKOBU) and I think the problem lies with the maps, since I have BI. I may just have to uninstall the expansion and go from there.

[Death the destroyer of worlds]

Please try this.
Install all the stuff and delete all the map.rwm files.
Fire it up and start a new campaign. This should generate new and correct map.rwm files. Now try to load a senate save once again. Perhaps it crashed due to a lack of an existing map.rwm file.

If you use BI you need to patch up to 1.6 before installing all this stuff, but in theory, it should work. I can't test that as I don't have BI, but I believe some people have been using it in this PBeM.

I'll download this stuff myself when this horrible heatwave is over which is killing me (second one in two weeks ! I think 20 degrees is way too hot ! It's 35 degrees out here ! I'm feeling wretched )

[GeneralHankerchief]

Worked like a charm. Cheers DDW, you now have another son!

(And seriously, thanks a lot. I feel for you with the heat wave, it's been around 36, 37 these last two days here.)

Just to confirm, I am now in the Lower House.

[Death the destroyer of worlds]

Yeeha !
That's excellent !
Econ21, could you add the text about first starting a new campaign after installing and deleting the map.rwm files before loading the savegame ?

GeneralHankerchief, Are you running it with BI now, or with plain RTW ?

[Dutch_guy]

Well it seems that my charcter, Marcus Laevinus, died a heroes death in the battle around Scodra. A shame really, as I returned to the story only days before - coming back from being absent for some time.

With the death of my current avatar I suppose I need a new one, do I have a choice in the matter if so, which characters are currently available ?

[x-dANGEr]

It definately does work with BI.. (Working example: Me)

[econ21]

With the death of my current avatar I suppose I need a new one, do I have a choice in the matter if so, which characters are currently available ?

I am not sure if we have spawned any new generals since the interim session, but you'll be first on the list when we do.

x-dANGEr, good job on the battle reports. For future reference, please can you reduce screenshots to 75% of their original size? Otherwise, they disrupt the formatting of the thread (lines become longer than most people's screens).

I'll update the FAQ with the installation instructions now.

[GeneralHankerchief]

GeneralHankerchief, Are you running it with BI now, or with plain RTW ?

BI is still installed on my comp.

[flyd]

There have indeed been no new generals. There were two new male infants born in spring 261. Lentulus Paullus, son of Valerius Paullus; and Vibius Laevinus, son of Marcus Laevinus.

As far as other children are concerned, we have two males that are 15 and should mature within a few turns.

[Death the destroyer of worlds]

Thanks GeneralHankerchief and x-dANGEr,
It is good to know it works on both editions and that the downloads are not corrupted. On the issue of Future Princeps Senatus, I suggest the charcter with the highest rank, and in case of a tie there, the highest age, gets this. I am unsure who that is at the moment.

Well, Dutch_guy, I'm sorry your charcter Marcus Laevinus perished. Try to see it in a positive light, at least he did not die of plague or assasination, but as a true roman hero on the battlefield.

Has anyone managed to log in on the RTR forums since friday ? They have been offline for a very long time now it seems. Either that, or I am the victim of phishing.

TinCow, where can I get the 1.9.3 version of the 4TPY mod ?

[Dutch_guy]

Well, Dutch_guy, I'm sorry your charcter Marcus Laevinus perished. Try to see it in a positive light, at least he did not die of plague or assasination, but as a true roman hero on the battlefield.

Well yes, I suppose that's true. Though an assassination could have been fairly interesting for the story line...

[TinCow]

It is good to know it works on both editions and that the downloads are not corrupted. On the issue of Future Princeps Senatus, I suggest the charcter with the highest rank, and in case of a tie there, the highest age, gets this. I am unsure who that is at the moment.

That sounds good to me, but I would like to request that the "Disinherited" trait I will get as a result be removed via console. It would be somewhat unfair to stick that on me simply because the game chose my character for the heir.

Also, we need to give econ21's new character his bonus trait.

TinCow, where can I get the 1.9.3 version of the 4TPY mod ?

I don't know where to get it with the RTR forums down. So, I've uploaded my copy to Rapidshare:

http://rapidshare.de/files/26342268/...1.9.3.zip.html

[econ21]

On the future Princeps Senatus, the PBM says FAQ says that we will take a Senate vote. I am wondering about confining candidates to those in the Upper House. My first thought was confine it to former First Consuls but they don't need the influence - they rack up enough through battles etc. But it might actually be worth something to those in the Upper Senate. Any reactions?

We should use the cheat console to get rid of the disinherited thread from Verginius.

[GeneralHankerchief]

On the future Princeps Senatus, the PBM says FAQ says that we will take a Senate vote. I am wondering about confining candidates to those in the Upper House. My first thought was confine it to former First Consuls but they don't need the influence - they rack up enough through battles etc. But it might actually be worth something to those in the Upper Senate. Any reactions?

Minor point, but being the fact that the Future Princeps Senatus is the same thing as the faction heir, he does get the increased bodyguard size which could be critical. Although it will be impossible to tell who will be doing a lot of fighting far down the line we could base it off of immediate need. For example, Verginius' legion is hurting right now and I'm sure TinCow wouldn't mind the extra horses.

Looking at the active Upper House members (who have generals) we have Tiberius, Ignoramus, Swordsmaster, Tricky Lady and Silver Rusher. Of those, three characters (Swordsmaster, Ignoramus, and TL) are in their thirties while the other two are in their twenties.

[econ21]

Minor point, but being the fact that the Future Princeps Senatus is the same thing as the faction heir, he does get the increased bodyguard size which could be critical. Although it will be impossible to tell who will be doing a lot of fighting far down the line we could base it off of immediate need. For example, Verginius' legion is hurting right now and I'm sure TinCow wouldn't mind the extra horses.

Very good point - I thought faction heir/leader was just a matter of influence, but the bodyguard issue is a biggie (I really appreciated it as Quintus).

Ideally we'd want the First Consul to be the faction leader. He could assign the faction heir based on need.

Can the console be used to change who is the faction leader? If so, could TinCow or DDW please post the exact commands we'd need to use? Also could they give the command for removing the disinherited trait?

Cheers.

[Braden]

Shouldn’t we be in the process of nominations etc by now??

It seems like ages since the last Consulship ended…..could be just me and an odd sense of the passage of time.

[econ21]

Shouldn’t we be in the process of nominations etc by now??

It seems like ages since the last Consulship ended…..could be just me and an odd sense of the passage of time.

Yes, things are slowing down - it's been 3 weeks. But it's not that much slower than before (we were averaging 2 weeks per Consulship before). If you look at the PBM uploader, you'll see one reason for the slowdowns - lots of battles are being fought by members of the Lower House; sometimes there are 6 savegames per turn. Personally, I like this - it creates a sense of collegiality and is one of the things that differentiates this PBM from others. AFAIK, we are up to Summer 261, so there should only be another three turns to go. I think we should aim for a Senate session starting early next week, so the new ruler can be in place for the weekend after.

[TinCow]

Very good point - I thought faction heir/leader was just a matter of influence, but the bodyguard issue is a biggie (I really appreciated it as Quintus).

Ideally we'd want the First Consul to be the faction leader. He could assign the faction heir based on need.

Can the console be used to change who is the faction leader? If so, could TinCow or DDW please post the exact commands we'd need to use? Also could they give the command for removing the disinherited trait?

Cheers.

I'm not sure about changing the faction leader with the console. It would require first removing the leader from the current character and then adding it to another. How would the game react to having no faction leader? That applies for the heir as well now that I think of it.

I'll post the commands for removing the disinherited trait and for adding the special position traits this weekend.

[econ21]

I'm not sure about changing the faction leader with the console.

Yes, I was wondering that too. OK, how about this - when a First Consul is elected, he makes himself the faction heir and removes the disinherited trait from whoever currently has it? (Although to be honest, leaving the ex-First Consuls with the disinherited trait actually sounds fitting).

As a corollary, I propose we don't worry about the faction leader. It'll be like musical chairs - the heir trait can be dancing around among the First Consuls and whoever gets the leadership when the music stops (Publius Laevinius dies), keeps it.

I'll post the commands for removing the disinherited trait and for adding the special position traits this weekend.

Thanks, it's appreciated.

[Death the destroyer of worlds]

Minor point, but being the fact that the Future Princeps Senatus is the same thing as the faction heir, he does get the increased bodyguard size which could be critical. Although it will be impossible to tell who will be doing a lot of fighting far down the line we could base it off of immediate need. For example, Verginius' legion is hurting right now and I'm sure TinCow wouldn't mind the extra horses.

I find relying on massive Praetorian bodyguards to win your battles for you to be a bit cheesy. I like econ21 his idea of making the faction leader the senate leader, but I am also not sure the game will like that. I'd recommend against doing that without testing.
Best thing in my opinion is to follow TinCow's course and move the faction heir around, but remove the disinherited trait from the guy who loses the faction heir trait. The game should not have difficulties with that.

[x-dANGEr]

Gah.. I had displaying problems with Alexander yesterday, and it appears I have them with Rome Total Realism ..

Any help would be appreciated.. And I think Simon should take over my battles till I can play again.. This is annoying gah!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=67167

[flyd]

Doh! This leaves one battle pending right now. If the decision is reached that someone else should play it, the savegame is up here, else I can autoresolve it. The battle can't really be avoided as it's the Greeks that attacked.

[Braden]

Knowing auto-resolve all too well we should try all we can to get someone to play it.....and here I am, with NO computer at home still (*sniff*).

I'm gutted!

[econ21]

I'll fight the battle - I'm curious to see how the campaign is going anyway, as it has been a while since I loaded up a savegame.

I hope you can get your computer problems sorted out, x-dANGEr. Keep us posted on your progress. Yesterday, mine cut out - just too hot, I think. Luckily it restarted when it had cooled down.

[Mount Suribachi]

OK guys, just to let you know, this will probly be my last post for 7-8 days as I go on holiday tomorrow.

I would say make sure to keep me out of the battle, but that hasn't been a problem so far and I've been itching to get stuck into Macedon/Greece

Maybe I can actually fight my first battle of this game when I come back

*waves*

[flyd]

I would say make sure to keep me out of the battle, but that hasn't been a problem so far and I've been itching to get stuck into Macedon/Greece

Funny thing, up until now, you haven't commanded a sufficient force to take on a full stack army. Reinforcements arrived last turn, but you were just one movement point short of getting into a battle. And now this. Oh well, better luck next time.

[econ21]

I've written up a short battle report of Publius Pansa's battle for Athens. I would encourage any Lower House members who are as ignorant as I was of our strategic situation to load up the savegame - 261sum_2.zip - it looks like we have the fight of our lives going on in Greece and Macedon.

[Avicenna]

Auto-resolve isn't that bad though.. I use it in my campaign.

I've already decimated the Greeks and Macedonians, while the Parthians died an early Eastern death. The whole of the area between the Adriatic and the Aegean is mine, as is a little southern part of Gaul.

By the way, it's only 254 BC and already the Marian reforms have happened.

Any idea why?

[TinCow]

Auto-resolve works if your odds are 1:1 or greater. You're likely to regret using it if your odds are lower than that.

In RTRPE 1.5 the Marian reforms occur when a Roman city other than Rome builds an Imperial Palace, or whatever the top level building is called.

[Avicenna]

Ah, too much enslaving I suppose

Now both Roma and Capua have massive populations and lots of -pop growth.

By the way, a tip for First Consuls:

When reloading a game and you use enslaving, check that all the cities that should have massive population growth do. If they don't at first, just tweak with the tax rate, eg make it go Low->Med->Low. That gets it back to normal.