The Will of the Senate - out of character thread II

[Avicenna]

Tincow: isn't a Legate the leader of a Legion?

Lucjan: sounds scarily Mao-ist.

DDW: HERODOTUS!

About the traits, should the Senate award Tiberius Coruncanius Skilled Bureaucrat for filling our coffers?

[econ21]

I've got to go on an unexpected family visit on Wednesday (today), so I may not be around exactly at 6pm UK time to set up the polls and won't be able to do any Q&A during the day on my candidature for First Consul. Apologies.

On the polls, let's still enforce the 6pm UK deadline deadline for proposing and seconding even if I may not be here to formally post a "times up" notice. I will post the polls before the evening is out and there will still be a 24 hour period to vote in.

On the First Consul election, as TinCow said, it would be good if there was a contest: e.g. if someone else can be co-Consul with DDW or if someone else stands. But I know it's a big commitment at a time when most of us have holidays planned. I mainly decided to run on my own rather than with DDW because I think I can more reliably commit at this point than when DDW goes on holiday (my family and I may take-off sometime then too).

But the key thing for me is keeping the momentum of this PBM going. IMO, it's doing great so far; definitely the largest and most active we've had for RTW and probably exceeding the early MTW ones

PS: I've edited post #13 in the battle reports to include the table of FLYdude's battles.

[Ice]

Hello, I like to join this game as a Senator of the Upper House. I hope this is the right thread. If it isn't, blame Tib. for directing me here.

[TinCow]

Since econ21 is now running, does that mean that DDW has withdrawn? I hope not, since that would mean we are still in an uncontested race.

For any who might want to run, but whose character is a bit on the young side, as far as I can tell Cornelius Saturninus is currently unassigned. He is 29 and would certainly be an acceptable candidate for Consul. This applies to Wonderland, Lucjan and GeneralHankerchief. I would also like to encourage x-Danger to run since his character is at the perfect age and position to be Consul.

About the traits, should the Senate award Tiberius Coruncanius Skilled Bureaucrat for filling our coffers?

We can do that via legislation. If the Senate votes for it, we can add or remove pretty much any trait from any character.

[flyd]

I was thinking about the Laevinus trial, and got an interesting idea. I think the best and easiest to implement punishment would be exile, but to where? I'd say it should be some distant and isolated place. Malta is probably the best of the places we currently own, but we could mount an expedition to colonize some really distant and isolated place to use for exactly these sorts of things (you know, like Australia ). Options?

Balearic Islands are somewhat distant and isolated, owned by Carthage.
Crimea is further distant and isolated, owned by the rebels.

But if we're feeling really adventurous, then there is always Hibernia (Ireland), owned by the rebels.

[Braden]

Ice - this is the correct place. Either TinCow or Econ21 will appoint you.

Flydude - I was thinking of which ever settlement was THE most underdeveloped, barbaric, underfunded, backwater we had! No access to a settlement list so what fills that critera?

When/If we decide to conduct a trial we'll put the options for punishment on a simple poll I think and just vote on it.

[econ21]

Hello, I like to join this game as a Senator of the Upper House. I hope this is the right thread. If it isn't, blame Tib. for directing me here.

Welcome! :wave: Feel free to participate in the Senate deliberations and vote in the polls I'll be putting up later today. I'll assign you an avatar in due course - it should not be too long.

[Lucjan]

Appreciate the offer I do, but I'd much rather stay with my character until the end, true rp style. Work through his young vigor, firebrand and all, up to the wisdom of old age...then let the bugger die and take the reigns as his grandson or something.

[Dooz]

Hey folks, another game related question if I may... is there any way I can find out the full name of a character that has acquired a "Victor" or any other nickname? Perhaps in the traits file or some other text file?

[Lucjan]

Tincow: isn't a Legate the leader of a Legion?

Lucjan: sounds scarily Mao-ist.

DDW: HERODOTUS!

About the traits, should the Senate award Tiberius Coruncanius Skilled Bureaucrat for filling our coffers?

Maybe..I've always had a bit of a dictatorial steak in me. I just don't see the point in a truly severe punishment. Humiliation and shame should work just dandy. Losses are to be expected, sometimes even outright defeat. The loss of an entire legion though, should bear some consequences to the loser.

[Death the destroyer of worlds]

Hey folks, another game related question if I may... is there any way I can find out the full name of a character that has acquired a "Victor" or any other nickname? Perhaps in the traits file or some other text file?

Not as far as I know. The original names of our characters can be found in the senate library.

[Mount Suribachi]

DDW, I've just put myself forward as a co-consular candidate. When I'm on lates I can still play an hour or 2 in the morning, and given the number of battles to be fought I imagine there won't be much playing to do at each sitting.

[Dooz]

Not as far as I know. The original names of our characters can be found in the senate library.

Oh poo. I'm currently playing a campaign myself and I didn't keep a record like the wonderful Library TinCow keeps. I really love this PBEM.

[Death the destroyer of worlds]

Oh poo. I'm currently playing a campaign myself and I didn't keep a record like the wonderful Library TinCow keeps. I really love this PBEM.

Old savegames ?

Mount Suribachi, that's great ! I'll be Batman and you'll be Robin !

[Lucjan]

Flydude - I was thinking of which ever settlement was THE most underdeveloped, barbaric, underfunded, backwater we had! No access to a settlement list so what fills that critera?

Ok, so I'm not Flydude..but still..

The most worthless, undeveloped, backwater city we have is Jenuensis. It's got absolutely nothing but a governor's villa, roads, colonization and integration. Losing this city to an enemy faction would be like popping a pimple, might actually be worth getting rid of. On the other hand, exiling a governor to it could make it worth the effort we put into conquering it.

[Dutch_guy]

OK, I'm happy to announce that I've installed all the mods - correctly, I checked by uploading the latest save.

This means that I'm going to be able to actually play the game, that is, when I get back from a three week vacation which starts tomorrow...


This was merely a heads up, and I do look forward to finally having a more active role in this PBM - which 'll start the end of this month.

PS: I might be able to squeeze in a post or two if I can grab a computer, but I'm not really counting on it.

[Dooz]

Old savegames ?

No, just a campaign of my own. I must say, with this Roman leadership traits system and everything else, this is probably my favorite campaign in 2+ years of RTW (or however long it's been out). And the most interesting things have happened also, that usually never did in previous campaigns, such as Carthage being locked in a great struggle with Iberia, losing all of the peninsula, then storming back some years later and taking the entire thing wiping out the Iberians... whew. As well as everything else that's been going on, I love the way factions have been expanding this campaign. I can't stop playing, I'm almost into my 40th year in 3 days. Ah, good stuff.

Another quick question, is it at all possible to add or remove ancillaries like you can with traits through the console commands?

*edit*
Oh my, I just came across this sub-mod and it looks great. Wish it was available before this PBEM. Would have been pretty interesting.
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=55919

[Braden]

@ Lucjan:

Jenuensis – well done, seems you’ve found the answer to that questions….assuming a hearing takes place and a judgement is called.

I’m still willing to be the Judge in this matter if the senior members/general player base think this should go through.

@ Dutch_guy:

Finally! Will be great to have you on board. With luck – three weeks time is about the length of time it’ll take ME to get everything installed and working. Of course, then it’ll be a matter of waiting for a Lower House avatar to become available.

[Death the destroyer of worlds]

About candelaria mod :
Yes, it's quite good, but it does not fit in well with RTR 1.5. It's also still in a BETA stage last time I checked.

[Dooz]

About candelaria mod :
Yes, it's quite good, but it does not fit in well with RTR 1.5. It's also still in a BETA stage last time I checked.

No it's actually currently version 2.1, for RTRPE 1.6 and 2.2 for PE 1.7 is currently testing. Should definately be something to check out for personal use along with the guide and everything else in that post.

[Ice]

Welcome! :wave: Feel free to participate in the Senate deliberations and vote in the polls I'll be putting up later today. I'll assign you an avatar in due course - it should not be too long.

Thank you.

[Mount Suribachi]

Quite ironic the fact my character has the "avatar of the Gods" trait line - atm I'm reading Cromwell: Our Chief of Men by Antonia Fraser. As some of you may know Cromwell was a big believer in Providentialism, so its providing some interesting insight into believing yourself to be an agent of Gods will on Earth. I might also slip a few quotes in here and there

I'm also slighty nervous about dscovering a Priest of Bacchus in my retinue, I fear my character is on a slippery slope.....

[x-dANGEr]

Simon.. I believe the motion I proposed:

"Every rivalry faction is to be appointed a legion to fight it" (Something in that range) has got 2 seconders..

[econ21]

Simon.. I believe the motion I proposed:

"Every rivalry faction is to be appointed a legion to fight it" (Something in that range) has got 2 seconders..

There was some confusion over the motion numbers - there were two 9.16s and the proposer of the other motion said that two of the seconders of 9.16 were for his motion, not yours. In the end, neither motion got two seconders (DDW pulled out from the rephrased other motion). You can propose the motion again in the mid-term if you like.

[TinCow]

I'm all in favor of Braden presiding over the trial, but we need to get this thing moving if we're going to do it. I know people wanted an election to determine the Praetor, but he's the only one who has expressed interest in it so far. I think the trial should start at the same time as next Consulship, so it would be good to resolve this now. We also need someone to step forward to make the formal complaint and to speak as the prosecutor during the trial.

Should we just create this system here in the OOC thread or should I propose a constitutional amendment to implement a judicial process into the game? I'm not sure that's strictly required since we're not changing game rules... we're adding something that we never contemplated in the beginning. However if it's easier, we can do it.

I still think it's best if the standing Consul appoints the Praetor and if the Praetor determines the punishment if conviction occurs. Both of these aspects will speed up the process (otherwise we'll need three votes for each trial, Praetor, verdict, sentence), add another aspect to the Consular elections for people to consider, and allow the Consul another way to 'reward' his supporters.

[econ21]

I'm happy to see the trial procedures sorted out in this thread. I think it would be good if you could continue to take the lead on this, TinCow, and make the arrangements for your preferred system. Treat silence as consent and do what you think best unless the other players start screaming.

[Death the destroyer of worlds]

Just been preemptively planning my campaign (should I win) and we have just 5 available lower house members. Rather tricky to defend such a massive frontline with that.
Wonderland (Galerius Vatiunius - 16) and Lucjan (Servius Aemilius - 16) are too young to command and should be studying, and the same goes for econ21 (Numerius Aureolus - 18) and GeneralHankerchief (Marcellus Aemilius - 19) as well.
Might have to break the rules a bit here and there to make ends meet.

I think this will be best :
FLYdude and Mount Suribachi wipe out the Macedonians together and guard the eastern border (Bylazora, Philipii and Ratiaria) followed perhaps by a raid on Thrace. This leaves the Macedonians with one city, Debeltos at the Black Sea, but to get to that we would have to cross Ptolemaic territory.
x-Danger wipes out Macedonia in the southeast (Chalkida), perhaps wipes out the Greeks on Crete (Kydonia).
DDW defends the northern border (Segestica, Aquileia and Patavium) with the help of FLYdude and Mount Suribachi and TinCow while he's passing trough to the west.
TinCow wipes out the Illyrians (Salona) and moves on to the west, perhaps knocking a few Thracian heads together and capturing that isolated Macedonian town (Delmatia).

Wonderland and Lucjan can take over 'homeland security', leading the local garrisons against rebels, while studying in Rome and Syracuse respectively.

econ21 can take care of homeland security in Greece when he finishes his studies in Athens.

GeneralHankerchief can wipe out that rebellion next to Rome and march reinforcements to the Legio III and take command untill TinCow arrives.

This does leave a nasty gap in our defences near Mediolaneum. The east is also tricky to guard, but FLYdude and Mount Suribachi together should be able to cover the border from Delmatia to Philipii, when econ21 becomes a tribune.

We could use several more lower house generals

Question : How exactly do I promote a legate with 20 years military service to a Praetor <question mark>. Do you get a trait or just the field army banner <question mark> Do you need to remove all previous banners, i.e. Legion banners <question mark>

TinCow, I agree with your ideas.

Tiberius, which book by Herodotus did you have in mind <question mark>

[econ21]

DDW why do you want to send me to school? I'm already a tribune and have fought two battles competently enough, becoming a popular hero. Purebred offspring are students at age 16 and can't pick up field experience until they are 20, so it makes sense to keep them in an academy. But that does not apply to adoptees. Poor adoptees like myself didn't get the fancy edumacashun of you patricians. We left school at 12 or thereabouts and mucked in on campaign, learning in the school of hard knocks. It's like what people say about us Yorkshiremen; Yorkshire born and Yorkshire bred - strong in the back and thick in the 'ead.

[Death the destroyer of worlds]

Compelling argument, into the fray it is. An tribune adoptee under 20 <question mark> This 4TPY 1.9.2. mod is wierd. I wonder if 1.9.3 works better. You are desperately needed at the border anyway.

mutters : No manners, those plebs

[TinCow]

Must... Kill... Gauls!